Page 58 of 154 FirstFirst ... 848565758596068108 ... LastLast
Results 571 to 580 of 1534

Thread: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

  1. #571
    Guru
    mmi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    is everything
    Last Seen
    12-01-16 @ 04:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    4,634

    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Recession began December 2007, Obama took office January 2009 and in January 2011 there were 139 million working Americans.
    Yeah? And?

    >>Apparently that is a liberal success story regarding the stimulus

    What is? You haven't said anything that can be regarded as a success or a failure.

    >>Please note it took until mid 2012 to get back to the numbers Obama inherited and mid 2014 to get back to the December 2007 levels.

    Please note the basic macroeconomic concept, which I've pointed out to you before, of a lag.

    >>You keep defending the indefensible, why?

    You keep posting lies and nonsense. I know why. Yer a liar and an idiot.
    "I loved him. You loved him. What good have we done him? Love. Look at yourself. They have a name for faces like that." Anna Schmidt, in The Third Man Anna walks away

  2. #572
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Tennessee
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    14,342

    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol !

    Such BS. Such hypocrisy.

    So laws upheld after being challenged have priority but existing laws can be ignored just as long as it benefits the Democrat Party ?
    The "law" on the President's authority with regard to immigration is unclear. If he's Unitary Executive, he can direct ICE and tell them who to deport, correct? He's CEO, and the man in charge of directing their efforts. He doesn't tell them to quit deporting illegals - there are millions. He just says that we won't deport those who are good residents, etc. Why is that any different than a sheriff deciding to NOT prosecute jaywalkers, and directing his deputies to focus on violent crime? Or him telling deputies to ignore speeding unless the speeder is driving recklessly, but an apparently sober 75 in a 55 at 2am with no traffic is something we won't ticket.

    Immigration might be different and it might be different to explicitly ALLOW them to stay, grant them permission, instead of choose not to deport - those have the same result but maybe the law treats them differently. I don't know and I doubt you do.

    And give me a f'in break with the party line BS. George Bush crapped on civil liberties in his 8 years with hardly a peep of protest from right wingers. Presidents seize as much power as we let them seize, and from both parties, and today is Friday.....

  3. #573
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    59,706

    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    mmi;1064757570]You could indeed say that I'm a liar. But what is it you claim I'm lying about? What knowledge do you wish to impart to me?
    You don't even know what you post any more. I stated that SS and Medicare funds have been used to fund the daily operating expenses of the govt. The unified budget confirms that reality. Rather sad that you still believe what you are told and you said I was wrong and that was a lie. Where is your apology?

    I just answered that.
    You answered wrong

    FICA now partially funds Medicare. I'll let you figure out where the rest comes from.
    So tell me again why FICA which is a pay as you go system is used in the general fund as part of the unified budget?

    You haven't shown me that. I've known it for about forty years, since I first started learning about fiscal policy.
    Wow, circular rhetoric now, you don't have a problem with your SS and Medicare contribution being used to fund the daily operating expenses of the govt. and generating an unfunded liability showing again that once indoctrinated it is impossible for you to admit you are wrong

    Wrong. Money has been borrowed for the SS Trust Fund and has been and is being paid back with interest. There is no "unfunded liability" in a pay-as-you-go system.
    LOL, so if it is being paid back with interest why is there trillions in unfunded liabilities? Keep digging that hole deeper and showing everyone else here how poorly informed you are

    From the Trust Fund.
    Same old drivel on your part no substance and just repeating what you hear. The Trust fund cannot fund the unfunded liabilities created by the Federal Govt.

    Do you think SS is a Ponzi scheme?
    What do you call it when you fund someone else's retirement and someone in the future funds yours?

    I don't just believe it. I know it.
    What you know are the lies you have been told and taught, the question is when will you get tired of being made a fool of by the liberal elites

    Hope away.
    Got it, results, facts don't matter and are trumped by what you want to believe

    No, it can be paid back through revenues.
    You really don't understand the budget at all, do you. We are running deficits now so where is the surplus going to come from to pay back the money the govt. stole from you?


    I have none.
    No children? Great, best news of your posts

  4. #574
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    59,706

    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    Yeah? And?

    >>Apparently that is a liberal success story regarding the stimulus

    What is? You haven't said anything that can be regarded as a success or a failure.

    >>Please note it took until mid 2012 to get back to the numbers Obama inherited and mid 2014 to get back to the December 2007 levels.

    Please note the basic macroeconomic concept, which I've pointed out to you before, of a lag.

    >>You keep defending the indefensible, why?

    You keep posting lies and nonsense. I know why. Yer a liar and an idiot.
    What I proved is that there haven't been the jobs created that Obama and you claim. you want to continue with this joke of an argument carry on. Guess nothing will ever overcome the indoctrination you received as a liberal. Please think with the brain God gave you and not only with your heart.

    So I post the BLS chart and that makes me a liar and an idiot? I really feel sorry for you

  5. #575
    Guru
    mmi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    is everything
    Last Seen
    12-01-16 @ 04:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    4,634

    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What I proved is that there haven't been the jobs created that Obama and you claim.
    No, you simply adamantly refuse to recognize the lag effect involved. Yer a foolish, blind ideologue. There are time lags all around you. Pull yer head out of yer butt and you'll see them.

    >>I post the BLS chart and that makes me a liar and an idiot?

    You always post ugly piles of cut-and-paste. Numbers by themselves don't prove anything. You need to use them to make an argument. Yer arguments are without substance.

    >>I really feel sorry for you

    And I continue to say that you should save yer compassion for yerself.
    "I loved him. You loved him. What good have we done him? Love. Look at yourself. They have a name for faces like that." Anna Schmidt, in The Third Man Anna walks away

  6. #576
    Sage
    jmotivator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 04:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    13,297

    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    Again, you misrepresented the figures as being "through 2014," when they were only for the first half of that year.

    >>The ACA subsidies to insurers for losses derived from Exchange plans will end in 2017. Do you think things will get better after that?

    As always, the ACA will prove to be a disaster next year.
    Again, the numbers I gave cover the open enrollment and proved my point that the vast majority of newly insured came from Medicaid. If you think that the rest of 2014 dramatically changed those numbers then feel free to look them up.

    You really should have just accepted the numbers I quoted from the end of open enrollment, though, since by the end of last year the HHS had to admit that those numbers were inflated. So the ratio of newly insured private plans to medicaid enrollment only got worse.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

  7. #577
    Sage

    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Location
    Pennsylvania, USA
    Last Seen
    05-28-16 @ 11:08 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    6,639

    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    For some reason and over time personal responsibility is a lost cause for far too many. It doesn't seem to matter that the Federal Govt. has created an 18.2 trillion debt, more than our entire economy and people like you have no problem giving them more money to waste. Brilliant!!
    Insurance, by definition, eschews personal responsibilty

  8. #578
    Guru
    mmi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    is everything
    Last Seen
    12-01-16 @ 04:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    4,634

    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I stated that SS and Medicare funds have been used to fund the daily operating expenses of the govt. The unified budget confirms that reality.
    No, it doesn't. Money is borrowed from the Fund and paid back with interest. If it's simply "used to fund the daily operating expenses of the govt," then why is interest paid?

    >>Rather sad that you still believe what you are told

    I believe it because it's true.

    >>you said I was wrong and that was a lie. Where is your apology?

    You are wrong. You are a liar. No apology.

    >>You answered wrong

    Explain it to me.

    >>So tell me again why FICA which is a pay as you go system is used in the general fund as part of the unified budget?

    Because money is borrowed and paid back with interest.

    >>you don't have a problem with your SS and Medicare contribution being used to fund the daily operating expenses of the govt.

    Not if it's paid back with interest.

    >>and generating an unfunded liability

    There is no unfunded liability.

    >>showing again that once indoctrinated it is impossible for you to admit you are wrong

    I don't know why you can't admit that yer wrong. Some sort of personalty disorder, I suppose. Maybe just neurotic.

    >> so if it is being paid back with interest why is there trillions in unfunded liabilities?

    There aren't any unfunded liabilities. It's pay-as-you-go.

    >>Keep digging that hole deeper and showing everyone else here how poorly informed you are



    >>The Trust fund cannot fund the unfunded liabilities created by the Federal Govt.

    There are none.

    >>What do you call it when you fund someone else's retirement and someone in the future funds yours?

    Social Security.

    >>the question is when will you get tired of being made a fool of by the liberal elites

    The question is when will I finally realize that it's pointless to keep on refuting the lies and distortions of a serial spammer of ideological nonsense. It's the old teaspoon-ocean thing.

    >>Got it, results, facts don't matter and are trumped by what you want to believe

    That does seem to be yer attitude.

    >>You really don't understand the budget at all, do you.

    I understand it a little. Iow, a lot more than you do.

    >>We are running deficits now so where is the surplus going to come from to pay back the money the govt. stole from you?

    Growth, I'm sure without a surplus.

    >>No children? Great, best news of your posts

    I wouldn't want them exposed to someone like you, that's for sure.
    "I loved him. You loved him. What good have we done him? Love. Look at yourself. They have a name for faces like that." Anna Schmidt, in The Third Man Anna walks away

  9. #579
    Educator SocialDemocrat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    The beautiful Pacific Northwest
    Last Seen
    05-18-16 @ 02:30 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    922

    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    A good decision IMO. Pre-2010 healthcare is not an option, even if the ACA is not ideal.
    Social democrat is no longer an accurate description of my views.

  10. #580
    Guru
    mmi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    is everything
    Last Seen
    12-01-16 @ 04:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    4,634

    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Again, the numbers I gave cover the open enrollment and proved my point that the vast majority of newly insured came from Medicaid. If you think that the rest of 2014 dramatically changed those numbers then feel free to look them up.
    Let me try to move this along. Your household needs to be within 138% of the poverty line to qualify for Medicaid. Under the ACA subsidy rules, you can be within 400%. I don't care how many newly insured are covered by Medicaid compared to how many enroll for subsidies. They all get insured or get help being insured. Good for them and for the country.
    "I loved him. You loved him. What good have we done him? Love. Look at yourself. They have a name for faces like that." Anna Schmidt, in The Third Man Anna walks away

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •