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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    He said " healthcare plan through the "federal government" ( public option).
    That was the only way to lower costs, by providing competion to private insurance companies.

    When the public option went so did the completion and the savings.
    If he was talking about a public option, then you wouldn't need to offer subsidies in the same sentence. You are reading what he said incorrectly.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Is it fact or opinion that SS and Medicare were put on budget and thus used for operating expenses of the United States?
    Neither. It's a stupid lie.

    Where does the payback of SS and Medicare come from?

    "Payback"? You mean "benefits"? From the Trust Fund.

    >>Do you know what an unfunded liability is?

    Yes, but it looks like you don't. SS and Medicare are pay-as-you-go.

    >>When you put your money into SS and Medicare and it is spent on something else where does the money come from to return to you when you retire?

    It comes from the people who borrowed it and then paid it back with interest the American public.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    "Many" think aliens will beam them into their spaceships and take them away.
    No, very few think that. Just as very few think that "interstate highways are irrelevant." How many spaceships have you visited?

    >>I pay what I owe, I don't get a cent from what you owe.

    Wrong. You can't afford to pay for the U.S. Marine Corps.

    >>And if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's ass hopping. Still irrelevant.

    This goes back to my saying that "the Internet grew out of federal spending." That is undeniably relevant history involving, as I noted, "a prime example of the importance of government spending to scientific advances and innovation."

    >>How much more expensive exactly? Tell me all about the hypothetical increase that never happened

    No. Figure it out for yerself.

    >>fact is you don't know what would happen nor would anyone else.

    Experts can offer useful opinions.

    >>For all we know the costs would have stayed the same or gone down or new car companies would have taken their place and we'd be better off.

    For all we know, frogs can fly.

    >>Therefore, another irrelevant and non-fact based opinion.

    It's common sense. Well, common to most people.

    >>And a great argument point. Well done!

    This goes back to yer claim that the taxes other people pay don't benefit you because they are required by law. All I can do is alugh at such nonsense.

    >>Is it a reasonable choice?

    [To go to prison rather than pay taxes.] What does it matter if it's reasonable? The point is that the taxes other people pay BENEFIT YOU.

    >>That you don't think, as you said, is the main issue.

    Humourous to an eight-year-old, perhaps.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    1. force small business to provide health insurance at $17K/yr. or a $2,000 fine - they will pay the fine and save $15,000
    $17K. Nothing to back that up as the cost of a health insurance plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    One interesting point that seems to float around this thread is whether the justices overstepped their bounds by attempting to understand the intent behind the law, rather than give it a purely literal reading.

    I'm a little surprised this point has legs. One of the pillars of statutory construction in jurisprudence for roughly the last three centuries has been to figure out the intent of the legislature.
    You shouldn't be surprised. Some of these people got their legal education from the Jerry Springer Show.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So you don't think rising health care costs and bigger higher oit of pocket costs are a reasons to not like the AFFORDABLE Care Act?
    Costs and premiums have been rising for years. Now they're rising more slowly. That's a reason to like the ACA.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    mmi;1064757332]Neither. It's a stupid lie.
    Credibility is a hard thing to recover and you lost yours a long time ago

    Social Security History

    "On-Budget"-

    In early 1968 President Lyndon Johnson made a change in the budget presentation by including Social Security and all other trust funds in a"unified budget." This is likewise sometimes described by saying that Social Security was placed "on-budget."
    Now I could say you are lying but will simply state you aren't knowledgeable enough to know what you are talking about

    Where does the payback of SS and Medicare come from?

    "Payback"? You mean "benefits"? From the Trust Fund.
    Both, FICA funds SS and Medicare which once again shows you have no concept of the taxes you pay or their purpose. AS I have shown you SS and Medicare were put on budget and have been spent leaving an unfunded liability(promise to people like you) and that doesn't bother you at all because like all liberals you just go out to the money tree and pick off a few dollars when you need them. This is total ignorance on your part

    Yes, but it looks like you don't. SS and Medicare are pay-as-you-go.
    Yes, you paid as you went, your money was spent so where are your benefits going to come from? Do you know what a Ponzi scheme is?

    It comes from the people who borrowed it and then paid it back with interest — the American public.
    So you believe the American people borrowed the money and are paying it back with interest? I hope people here can see what a problem liberalism is and how ignorant your comments are. The Govt. borrowed the money, spent it, and has to print it or borrow it to pay it back. Any idea how that is going to affect any children you have?

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Hah, so do you think the private insurance numbers recovered after open enrollment?
    Again, you misrepresented the figures as being "through 2014," when they were only for the first half of that year.

    >>The ACA subsidies to insurers for losses derived from Exchange plans will end in 2017. Do you think things will get better after that?

    As always, the ACA will prove to be a disaster next year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obamacare hasn't even been fully implemented but it has done one great thing for people like you, created part time jobs rather than full time ones.
    Full-time employment

    Dec 2009 110.5 million

    May 2015 121.4 million

    Total part-time employment

    Dec 2009 27.5 million

    May 2015 27.5 million

    Part-time employment for economic reasons

    Dec 2009 9.1 million

    May 2015 6.6 million

    >>What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?

    Why do keep repeating the same lies in one thread after another? I suppose you realize that some of them will not be refuted. Sort of a spamming strategy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    Again, you misrepresented the figures as being "through 2014," when they were only for the first half of that year.

    >>The ACA subsidies to insurers for losses derived from Exchange plans will end in 2017. Do you think things will get better after that?

    As always, the ACA will prove to be a disaster … next year.



    Full-time employment

    Dec 2009 — 110.5 million

    May 2015 — 121.4 million

    Total part-time employment

    Dec 2009 — 27.5 million

    May 2015 — 27.5 million

    Part-time employment for economic reasons

    Dec 2009 — 9.1 million

    May 2015 — 6.6 million

    >>What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?

    Why do keep repeating the same lies in one thread after another? I suppose you realize that some of them will not be refuted. Sort of a spamming strategy.
    Aw, please stop, this is embarrassing on your part. Such indoctrination

    Original Data Value

    Series Id: LNS12000000
    Seasonally Adjusted
    Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
    Labor force status: Employed
    Type of data: Number in thousands
    Age: 16 years and over
    Years: 1980 to 2015

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    2007 146028 146057 146320 145586 145903 146063 145905 145682 146244 145946 146595 146273
    2008 146378 146156 146086 146132 145908 145737 145532 145203 145076 144802 144100 143369
    2009 142152 141640 140707 140656 140248 140009 139901 139492 138818 138432 138659 138013
    2010 138438 138581 138751 139297 139241 139141 139179 139438 139396 139119 139044 139301
    2011 139267 139400 139649 139610 139639 139392 139520 139940 140156 140336 140780 140890
    2012 141633 141911 142069 141953 142231 142400 142270 142277 142953 143350 143279 143280
    2013 143328 143429 143374 143665 143890 144025 144275 144288 144297 143453 144490 144671
    2014 145206 145301 145796 145724 145868 146247 146401 146451 146607 147260 147331 147442
    2015 148201 148297 148331 148523
    Recession began December 2007, Obama took office January 2009 and in January 2011 there were 139 million working Americans. Apparently that is a liberal success story regarding the stimulus

    Please note it took until mid 2012 to get back to the numbers Obama inherited and mid 2014 to get back to the December 2007 levels. You keep defending the indefensible, why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    If he was talking about a public option, then you wouldn't need to offer subsidies in the same sentence. You are reading what he said incorrectly.
    Public option was still an insurance plan and while it would cost less than private insurance it was not "free" some people would still need subsidies to help cover the cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    If the SC rules one way or the other then Obama will comply with the ruling. If not we have a constitutional crisis, and I don't think that's happening. What the poster was suggesting was picking and choosing which laws and rulings we want to follow. That won't work.

    Lol !

    Such BS. Such hypocrisy.

    So laws upheld after being challenged have priority but existing laws can be ignored just as long as it benefits the Democrat Party ?

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Public option was still an insurance plan and while it would cost less than private insurance it was not "free" some people would still need subsidies to help cover the cost.
    A public option is automatic enrollment with no premiums, because they are embedded in your normal tax rate. Because of that, there is no need for subsidies to offset the cost.

    At no time has anyone suggested the federal government start a health insurance company, offering plans to the general public through the exchanges or otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Social Security History

    Now I could say you are lying but will simply state you aren't knowledgeable enough to know what you are talking about
    You could indeed say that I'm a liar. But what is it you claim I'm lying about? What knowledge do you wish to impart to me?

    >>Where does the payback of SS and Medicare come from?

    I just answered that.

    >>FICA funds SS and Medicare which once again shows you have no concept of the taxes you pay or their purpose.

    FICA now partially funds Medicare. I'll let you figure out where the rest comes from.

    >>AS I have shown you SS and Medicare were put on budget

    You haven't shown me that. I've known it for about forty years, since I first started learning about fiscal policy.

    >>and have been spent leaving an unfunded liability

    Wrong. Money has been borrowed for the SS Trust Fund and has been and is being paid back with interest. There is no "unfunded liability" in a pay-as-you-go system.

    >>This is total ignorance on your part

    No, it's just yer usual drivel.

    >>Yes, you paid as you went, your money was spent so where are your benefits going to come from?

    From the Trust Fund.

    >>Do you know what a Ponzi scheme is?

    Do you think SS is a Ponzi scheme?

    >>So you believe the American people borrowed the money and are paying it back with interest?

    I don't just believe it. I know it.

    >>I hope people here can see what a problem liberalism is and how ignorant your comments are.

    Hope away.

    >>The Govt. borrowed the money, spent it, and has to print it or borrow it to pay it back.

    No, it can be paid back through revenues.

    >>Any idea how that is going to affect any children you have?

    I have none. It will not hurt anyone else's.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    A public option is automatic enrollment with no premiums, because they are embedded in your normal tax rate. Because of that, there is no need for subsidies to offset the cost.

    At no time has anyone suggested the federal government start a health insurance company, offering plans to the general public through the exchanges or otherwise.
    No, a plan offered to the public by the govt is exactly what a public option is. The one considered during the health care debate in 2009 was a buy-in to Medicare.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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