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    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    The exchanges are working ? You mean the one's that haven't gone absolutely bankrupt yet ?

    Or the Zombie exchanges, that are bankrupt but are kept alive because the Governor is a ideological lunatic ? ( Jerry Brown )

    If ObamaCare's working, why didn't the Democrats run on it in 2014 ?

    It would seem if it was working they wouldn't have avoided the issue like the plague. But they did of-course, and they still lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, but you're not in charge, or I don't think you are.

    So, go ahead, don't file or pay your taxes, etc. You should be fine...
    All I said was states should not obey the courts ruling on Obamacare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    All I said was states should not obey the courts ruling on Obamacare.
    Sure, also reasonable. It's like a laundry list. The states can pick laws they want to follow and ignore the others. Sounds great, and shouldn't lead to any problems at all when laws are optional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    His description of "public insurance program" is what the exchanges are. Stop trying to pull a Roberts and change the meaning of words.

    By 2019, the only options everyone will have will be high deductible, HSA-eligible plans available via the exchange.
    He said " healthcare plan through the "federal government" ( public option).
    That was the only way to lower costs, by providing competion to private insurance companies.

    When the public option went so did the completion and the savings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Sure, also reasonable. It's like a laundry list. The states can pick laws they want to follow and ignore the others. Sounds great, and shouldn't lead to any problems at all when laws are optional.
    What's good for the Goose....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    If the SC rules one way or the other then Obama will comply with the ruling. If not we have a constitutional crisis, and I don't think that's happening. What the poster was suggesting was picking and choosing which laws and rulings we want to follow. That won't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Public option ?

    You mean single payer ? I didn't realize there were premiums paid in Countries that had Nationalized healthcare.

    And no way would a Family of four save 2500 dollars if we had single payer. Its not free Healthcare.

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    No, not single payer.

    A public option to provide competition and help bring costs down.



    The public health insurance option, also known as the public insurance option or the public option, was a proposal to create a government-run health insurance agency which would compete with other health insurance companies within the United States. The public option is not the same as publicly funded health care,
    but was proposed as an alternative health insurance plan offered by the government. The proposal was initially part of the debates surrounding the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, but was not passed in the final reconciled bill.


    The public option was featured in three bills considered by the United States House of Representatives in 2009:
    the proposed Affordable Health Care for America Act (H.R. 3962), which was passed by the House in 2009, its predecessor, the proposed America's Affordable Health Choices Act (H.R. 3200), and a third bill, the Public Option Act, also referred to as the "Medicare You Can Buy Into Act", (H.R. 4789). ...

    President Barack Obama promoted the idea of the public option while running for election in 2008.[3]
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    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    US is not a Democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic. Yes, HUGE difference if you paid attention in Government class in school.
    I didn't take "Government class." I was busy studying political science, public administration, and American history in graduate school.

    The reactionary line yer pushing would come as quite a surprise to a great many Americans, including the ones who fought and died to defend our democracy. The funny thing is the way you clowns you "Democrat" as an adjective. You don't want to refer to yer political opponents as "Democratic" because it makes people think of "democratic" something almost universally regarded as good in the US.

    There's no way this can be decided on facts, so I'll just encourage you to keep on saying that this country is not a democracy. That should help to isolate you politically, as a right-wing, anti-American nut.

    >>ACA rate hikes in 2016.

    In the handful of states where data is available (Connecticut, Maryland, Michigan, Oregon, Virginia, Vermont, Washington state and Washington, D.C.), Pearson says the majority of people buying health coverage on exchanges won't face serious sticker shock.

    "We have seen that about 6 percent average rate increases are expected for 2016," Pearson says.

    As Avalere looks at the less expensive plans, she says, "We're seeing anywhere from a 5 percent increase for the lowest-cost plan available, to a 1 percent increase for the second-lowest-cost plan available. So we're really looking at very modest increases very consistent with what we saw from 2014 to 2015." "Health Insurance Premiums Will Go Up In 2016, But By How Much?" NPR, June 12, 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    almost all insurance companies are seeking 1-30 and in some cases 70% increases in their premium rates for next year.
    See above.

    >>in the first year insurance premiums soared 40% on average across the nation. it is why the 2nd year we saw 20-40% increases.

    No evidence offered. I'm sure you got those numbers the same way you got the ones for 2016 by pulling them out of yer ass.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, unemployment fell to 138 million in spite of the Obama stimulus
    You mean "employment," not "unemployment."

    The stimulus was enacted in March 2009. Only a relatively small percentage of the money involved (which was one-third tax cuts) was spent that year. The 138 million figure is from Dec 2009. It's foolish to think that the horrible job losses associated with the Great Recession brought on by big tax cuts for the wealthy and irresponsible deregulation of the financial sector could be ended in less than nine months. In 2010, the situation turned around and we have added 12.6 million private sector jobs in the past five years.

    >>that was for shovel ready jobs that wasn't supposed to let unemployment fall.

    Another of yer stupid lies.

    >>You want to blame Bush for the Obama stimulus that didn't work?

    No. Only an idiot would suggest that, which is why yer doing it, I suppose.

    >>Now you want to give Obama credit for losing jobs for two years after the stimulus was passed

    No, I blame that on the people who caused the Great Recession people you support.

    >>and then creating jobs that only got us back to the level he inherited.

    We've moved well past those numbers, by millions of full-time, private-sector jobs. And the high under Bush was the result of the housing bubble. The one that burst and led to the Great Recession.

    >>Is it fact or opinion that Obama inherited 142 million working Americans?

    Fact. And we now have nearly 149 million. And we've added more every month for more than five years.

    >>Please learn how to research BLS.

    I help gather the data. I've been doing it and reading the reports for fifteen years. I've told you that perhaps dozens of times. All you do is make an utter fool of yerself.

    >>if you are going to give Obama credit for the low unemployment rate then use the same chart used to report those numbers.

    If you don't like my numbers and graphs, let's see yers.

    >>It really is sad that people like you continue to buy rhetoric and support an incompetent.

    Yer a comedy act, albeit a dull and tiresome one.

    >>What is it about liberalism that creates people like you who buy what they are told by the left and buy those opinions as fact?

    The employment figures are facts. Yer a broken record of reactionary idiocy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I agree.... on one hand, we have a forward thinking party that actually gets things done; on the other hand we have a party that refuses to live in the reality of the present and continually tries to legislate us into the past. As one once said "When I want to go forward, I put the car in "D" and when I want to backup, I put the car in in "R", I find this works in the voting booth, as well."
    My how clever, never read that analogy before.

    Considering how many Dead Ends that "D" has driven people into, it's a good thing there is an "R" to allow people to back the hell out of the mess they were put in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    I didn't take "Government class." I was busy studying political science, public administration, and American history in graduate school.

    The reactionary line yer pushing would come as quite a surprise to a great many Americans, including the ones who fought and died to defend our democracy. The funny thing is the way you clowns you "Democrat" as an adjective. You don't want to refer to yer political opponents as "Democratic" because it makes people think of "democratic" — something almost universally regarded as good in the US.

    There's no way this can be decided on facts, so I'll just encourage you to keep on saying that this country is not a democracy. That should help to isolate you politically, as a right-wing, anti-American nut.

    As Avalere looks at the less expensive plans, she says, "We're seeing anywhere from a 5 percent increase for the lowest-cost plan available, to a 1 percent increase for the second-lowest-cost plan available. So we're really looking at very modest increases — very consistent with what we saw from 2014 to 2015." —

    The stimulus was enacted in March 2009. Only a relatively small percentage of the money involved (which was one-third tax cuts) was spent that year. The 138 million figure is from Dec 2009. It's foolish to think that the horrible job losses associated with the Great Recession brought on by big tax cuts for the wealthy and irresponsible deregulation of the financial sector could be ended in less than nine months. In 2010, the situation turned around and we have added 12.6 million private sector jobs in the past five years.

    >>that was for shovel ready jobs that wasn't supposed to let unemployment fall.

    Another of yer stupid lies.

    >>You want to blame Bush for the Obama stimulus that didn't work?

    No. Only an idiot would suggest that, which is why yer doing it, I suppose.

    >>Now you want to give Obama credit for losing jobs for two years after the stimulus was passed

    No, I blame that on the people who caused the Great Recession — people you support.

    >>and then creating jobs that only got us back to the level he inherited.

    We've moved well past those numbers, by millions of full-time, private-sector jobs. And the high under Bush was the result of the housing bubble. The one that burst and led to the Great Recession.

    >>Is it fact or opinion that Obama inherited 142 million working Americans?

    Fact. And we now have nearly 149 million. And we've added more every month for more than five years.

    >>Please learn how to research BLS.

    I help gather the data. I've been doing it and reading the reports for fifteen years. I've told you that perhaps dozens of times. All you do is make an utter fool of yerself.

    >>if you are going to give Obama credit for the low unemployment rate then use the same chart used to report those numbers.

    If you don't like my numbers and graphs, let's see yers.

    >>It really is sad that people like you continue to buy rhetoric and support an incompetent.

    Yer a comedy act, albeit a dull and tiresome one.

    >>What is it about liberalism that creates people like you who buy what they are told by the left and buy those opinions as fact?

    The employment figures are facts. Yer a broken record of reactionary idiocy.
    Keep buying the rhetoric, mimi, and keep proving Gruber right. For some reason you believe that the Obama stimulus passed and signed for shovel ready jobs wasn't implemented in 2009 and for some other reason you believe that much of it was tax cuts even though you cannot tell me how much of a tax cut you and your family got?

    Then I keep asking questions so that I can learn from your brilliance. Is it fact or opinion that Obama inherited an employment number of 142 million and two years later it was 138 million?

    Why don't you go back to 1980 and give Obama credit for the 50 million jobs created since then since you want to blame Bush for the first two years of the Obama Administration even though 842 billion was signed into law creating new taxpayers

    I find it quite interesting that people like you continue to buy the lies and pass them off as fact. You continue to show how little you know about leadership, how little you understand about economics, and how poorly educated liberals are.

    No only do I not like your numbers I have proven that liberalism is an ideology that passes off opinion and lies as fact

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