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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    1. I'm not a lawyer
    2. I'm not corrupt and dishonest
    3. I believe in a strongly constrictive Constitution, i.e. I believe in limited government; not unlimited government
    Many people like today's GOPs did not sign the Constitution in 1787.
    They were nullifiers and extreme state's righters and the Grandfathers of the civil war .
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I have to admit, you are pretty good at trying to turn this around. It is not about me knowing more than a supreme court judge, it is about 3 of them having a take on this decision today that I agree with.
    As I said, if we're honest our opinion about the correctness of the decision is highly correlated with how we feel about the law.

    Because you made it up.

    The largest block of text behind ACA is Title 2: The Role of Public Programs, at almost 100 sections covering everything from every part of Medicaid, CHIP, various government Prescription Drug Plans, MACPAC assessment policies, and other Child Health Services. The second largest block is Title 3: Improving the Quality and Efficiency of Healthcare, also at almost 100 sections covering everything from Medicare, to Healthcare and Hospital evaluations, to Fee Schedule and Coding changes, to Payment Accuracy, to Charge Master regulations, to Medicare Part D plan changes.
    Sorry, but that it's a major provision is demonstrated by the fact that 1) the SC took this case, and 2) we all cared about the outcome. And we cared because a defeat of the subsidies for the federal exchange would have, without question, acted to gut the entire ACA in those states - no individual mandate, no employer mandate, no way to assist the poor and middle class with the cost of their premiums, etc.

    Again, since you do not or will not understand, it is not the job of the Supreme Court to correct wording of legislation. It is not the job of the Supreme Court to make legislation at all, it is there job to evaluate the challenge made against the law as passed. In this case, they politically made a decision and made a conclusion that the document itself does not stipulate.
    I don't think either of us is a constitutional law expert so I don't see the point of arguing the fine points of constitutional law. But if you'd like to read the different opinions about this case, here's the SCOTUS blog's rundown of various opinions. What you'll find is some of the best experts discussing why, obviously, Roberts was correct, and other experts discussing why, clearly, Scalia was.

    I am not suggesting the law does not stand, I am suggesting they made an error. 3 justices pointed out the error in dissent. And you are wrong on the powers of the Supreme Court. Their clear job is to interpret the law vs. challenge, not edit and repair what Congress did not handle well. The law as written was clear, today 6 justices expanded the definition of "State" to include the Federal Government.
    They didn't make an "error." They interpreted the law differently than the dissent. Ultimately the majority decided that had Congress intended to provide subsidies ONLY state exchanges, they would have made that clear, not hidden the "intent" so well that no one, literally, in Congress mentioned or debated this outcome, nor did the states know of the consequences of deferring to the Feds when they made their decision about setting up the exchange. As one commenter quotes Scalia in another context, "Congress does not hide elephants in mouse holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Did they help Bush fix his roll-out--yes or no?
    Did DEMs obstruct Bush with Medicare part D--yes or NO, Conservative?
    are you glad that Bush appointed Roberts--yes or no ?
    no, they didn't, Ted Kennedy proposed spending more than double what the final program actually cost.

    Democrats and people like you have no concept of incentive and allowing people to decide what is best for them. Your one size fits all program like SS and Medicare are now trillions in debt but that doesn't bother you so you want another program just like them, Obamacare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Yes, and there are incentives in the ACA as well. The reason why its coming under cost projections thus far is more people are going with bronze level plans on the exchanges.

    My only point in bring it up was that you falsely implied no federal social program ever came in under initial projections in terms of costs.
    And what incentives would those be? You have no idea what Obamacare is costing nor does the govt. You buy the rhetoric and ignore the reality. Why do you keep buying Obama lies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Lies? What lies? You think Healthcare is a Federal Responsibility? You think that all states have the same cost of living? You think that you pay for the healthcare costs in my state? Please show me that Gruber wasn't talking about you.
    What Gruber said is irrelevant, the people don't make laws, Congress does. I think you need to go back and take a civics class.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What Gruber said is irrelevant, the people don't make laws, Congress does. I think you need to go back and take a civics class.
    No, what Gruber said is accurate and supported by the liberal elite that has indoctrinated good people making them think with their hearts instead of their brain. You buy what you are told and totally ignore reality and the fact that lies have been told. You have no problem with another entitlement program because the 250 billion a year in debt service doesn't resonate with you nor does the reality of people seeing their premiums and deductibles go off the chart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You have no idea what Obamacare is costing nor does the govt. You buy the rhetoric and ignore the reality. Why do you keep buying Obama lies?
    Yes we do: CBO: Repeal of ACA would raise economic output (per dynamic scoring) - PNHP's Official Blog
    Repealing it would increase the deficit by over $100 billion (over $300 billion if you don't use the highly controversial GOP-mandated "dynamic scoring").
    Why can't you accept a reality that doesn't favor your prejudices?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    It's not even close to being Constitutional, lol...

    No rational, informed, honest person would conclude that it is Constitutional. Only corrupt, dishonest, activist jurists would approve it. Exhibit A: The SCOTUS. All 9 need to be impeached.
    Talk is cheap; impeach them or deal with their decision. I applaud it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obamacare cost the Democrats Congress
    Because of lies, distortions and better attack ads from GOPs and spineless DEMs running from their POTUS as GOPs did in 2006.
    DEMs won't have that problem in 2016--as you saw today.

    GOPs--who can run furthest to the right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post
    Yes we do: CBO: Repeal of ACA would raise economic output (per dynamic scoring) - PNHP's Official Blog
    Repealing it would increase the deficit by over $100 billion.
    Why can't you accept a reality that doesn't favor your prejudices?
    Please name for me one CBO Projection that has been accurate? Do you understand what CBO is and where they get their assumptions? Do you think CBO projected an 18.2 trillion dollar debt? Is there any point where the deficit gets too big for you and you start holding your Federal officials accountable for their spending?

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