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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    we have liabilities of over $100 Trillion
    This is right-wing quackery. SS and Medicare are pay-as-you-go.

    >>advertising next to those pictures of cats.

    Worse than pictures of cats, imo.

    >>if there is one thing I really want to brag on, it's American media.

    Generates a lot of profit internationally.

    >>We are absent on the world stage.

    We have around 250K military personnel stationed overseas.

    >>The Navy is down to the smallest that it's been since World War One

    We have twenty aircraft carriers. Ya want more battleships, eh?

    >>we're slashing the Air Force, Army, and Marines as well.

    Are we? Any figures? We have more than six thousand combat aircraft, nine thousand tanks, and 4500 artillery pieces. Not enough?

    >>You have to have will to be dominant, and we don't have the will.

    We are dominant. Who do you want us to start a war with? Iran? Russia? North Korea?

    >>ask yourself between Iran, Russia, and China, which one of these nations' leadership really worries that America might come kick their butt in an expensive, bloody war, if they push us too much?

    What is this, a playground?

    >>We are 10th on the list of debt to GDP.

    Yeah, and we ran up a lot of debt and sacrificed a lot of GDP showing Saddam Hussein that he couldn't "push us too far."

    >>When you compare our debt to how much we collect in revenue

    That's called the deficit. It's been cut by two-thirds as a percentage of GDP under Obama.

    Def_As_Pct_GDP_Chart.jpg

    >>we're literally right behind Greece.

    What is Greece's GDP relative to ours?

    >>Then when you compare our unfunded liabilities to GDP.

    When you do that, yer being foolish.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Medicare Part D actually came in costing less than initially projected as have projected ACA costs thus far. http://www.modernhealthcare.com/arti...NEWS/301269833
    Yup.

    The cost of the Medicare prescription drug benefit
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Good thing DEMs helped Bush straighten out that roll-out.
    That cooperation ended with Obama's 1st election and Cantor's (Mr. False-Equivalency's) meeting that night .
    Is that right? Democrats helped Bush roll out the program? Do you even know what Ted Kennedy proposed and how much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Are you saying the conservative SCOTUS is legislating from the bench?
    I'm a libertarian and a Constitutionalist... I don't have any regard for any of them.

    I value liberty first and foremost - the Constitution is supposed to protect me from the government, and from other people who would seek to use the government to impose themselves and their views upon me, or anyone else for that matter.

    Sadly, Amerikans have become overwhelmingly fascist/socialist, and see nothing wrong with use the government for anything they want, against anyone they want, anytime they want.

    None of this surprises me, I've been expecting it for decades... it's just sad to see it happening. It's a sad time to be alive; it's sad to watch a once great, once free nation die like this.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Medicare Part D actually came in costing less than initially projected as have projected ACA costs thus far. http://www.modernhealthcare.com/arti...NEWS/301269833
    Do you even know why it came in under cost projections? You look at Medicare Part D and ignore the incentive part of it for the consumer and that is what saved the money.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How do you think Obamacare is going to paid for? Only a liberal believes govt. programs don't cost any money and won't add to the debt. Guess we just woke up and 18.2 trillion dollars appeared on the books, larger than the U.S. economy.
    Who thinks it's not being paid for? It is. [hey, do you see all those tax hikes during King Reagan's presidency? Don't really fit the narrative, do they?]

    Obamacare includes a big tax on rich fatcats, which is one of its best features!!! In fact, the CBO, even with the new GOP-mandated "dynamic scoring," has confirmed that it more than pays for itself, thus lowering the deficit.

    Um, what was your point again...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    How come you're not a member of SCOTUS?
    1. I'm not a lawyer
    2. I'm not corrupt and dishonest
    3. I believe in a strongly constrictive Constitution, i.e. I believe in limited government; not unlimited government

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    Did they help Bush fix his roll-out--yes or no?
    Did DEMs obstruct Bush with Medicare part D--yes or NO, Conservative?
    are you glad that Bush appointed Roberts--yes or no ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Is that right? Democrats helped Bush roll out the program? Do you even know what Ted Kennedy proposed and how much?
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I have never heard anything but a pathetically shallow argument drawing a distinction between Romneycare and Obamacare. OK, you have the floor, please explain to all of us the difference and why this is so important. Creating a national healthcare system, across state lines, likely requires a national mandate.

    To have the healthcare system work, as well articulated by Roberts, we need to be certain all are covered (despite pre-existing conditions), it is affordable (tax credits) and all participate (mandate). If you want to do this on a national basis, and the appetite of Americans pre-2009, was that was the case, then you need to do these things across state lines...

    That all said, most of this is moot, as this is here to stay... if people want to change it, they need to be working WITH the law as working against it is futile.
    Very simple, Obamacare is a Federal Program, administered by the Federal Bureaucrats, Romneycare is a state program run closer to the people. Seems like a concept liberals don't understand. Romneycare is supported by the people of MA, Obamacare cost the Democrats Congress

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you even know why it came in under cost projections? You look at Medicare Part D and ignore the incentive part of it for the consumer and that is what saved the money.
    Yes, and there are incentives in the ACA as well. The reason why its coming under cost projections thus far is more people are going with bronze level plans on the exchanges.

    My only point in bring it up was that you falsely implied no federal social program ever came in under initial projections in terms of costs.
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