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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You " decided " wrong, so wrong.
    Ever since it was passed Democrat Politicians and their supporters have been stuck in a endless loop of pro-ACA propaganda.
    Well, there was a break in the propaganda right around the time Democrats wanted to get re-elected.
    They just kept their mouths shut and refused to acknowledge that the ACA existed.
    Allot of good it did. They still lost.
    You have a good point. They should have been boasting about what a great success it's been.

    Five years, five times Obamacare has cost less than predicted.
    Rate of uninsured lowest in history. About 17 million Americans now have insurance because of Obamacare. Would be more if GOP hadn't blocked Medicaid expansion.
    Most marketplace clients rate their care good or excellent.
    Wait times are modest.
    Premiums are not surging for the rest of us.

    Here's a chart to really piss off Republicans:


    You're right. Missed opportunity.
    Great decision though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So anyone who doesn't agree with you is an activist justice? We have a govt. that is 18.2 trillion dollars in debt and you have no problem giving them more power and more money? Please name for me one, just one Federal Social program that ever cost what it was supposed to cost? Better yet name for me just one economic prediction Obama has made that is accurate? You still buy the leftwing rhetoric no matter how many lies you are told.
    Medicare Part D actually came in costing less than initially projected as have projected ACA costs thus far. http://www.modernhealthcare.com/arti...NEWS/301269833
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    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    No more than you buy the right-wing rhetoric no matter how many lies you are told....


    Now, do you suppose you could elevate you debate beyond 3rd grade playground tactics?
    BTW... I am not sure what the debt has to do with this.... please do a better job of either staying on topic or tying in your sidebars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    No more than you buy the right-wing rhetoric no matter how many lies you are told....

    Now, do you suppose you could elevate you debate beyond 3rd grade playground tactics?
    Lies? What lies? You think Healthcare is a Federal Responsibility? You think that all states have the same cost of living? You think that you pay for the healthcare costs in my state? Please show me that Gruber wasn't talking about you.

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    I'd like to believe the Roberts/Kennedy Libertarian wing is telling both political parties to legislate--or they'll do it for them.
    Decisions on VRA, CU 1.0/2.0, ACA 1.0/2.0, upcoming gay marriage, today's Housing in TX.

    Roberts/Kennedy seem severely torn between state's rights and individual rights.
    But beyond that, their decisions still seem to help the GOP electorally in ginning up their base .

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I think we all know the answer to that....there isn't one.

    At least, not one that could get backing to pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    BTW... I am not sure what the debt has to do with this.... please do a better job of either staying on topic or tying in your sidebars.
    How do you think Obamacare is going to paid for? Only a liberal believes govt. programs don't cost any money and won't add to the debt. Guess we just woke up and 18.2 trillion dollars appeared on the books, larger than the U.S. economy.

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    Good thing DEMs helped Bush straighten out that roll-out.
    That cooperation ended with Obama's 1st election and Cantor's (Mr. False-Equivalency's) meeting that night .

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Medicare Part D actually came in costing less than initially projected as have projected ACA costs thus far. http://www.modernhealthcare.com/arti...NEWS/301269833
    Chemists Have Solutions .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you understand the difference between a Federal Mandate and a state mandate? Republicans know that healthcare expenses are state issues not a Federal taxpayer issue. Obama is a big govt. liberal who believes in a massive central govt. and nanny state. Apparently so do you
    I have never heard anything but a pathetically shallow argument drawing a distinction between Romneycare and Obamacare. OK, you have the floor, please explain to all of us the difference and why this is so important. Creating a national healthcare system, across state lines, likely requires a national mandate.

    To have the healthcare system work, as well articulated by Roberts, we need to be certain all are covered (despite pre-existing conditions), it is affordable (tax credits) and all participate (mandate). If you want to do this on a national basis, and the appetite of Americans pre-2009, was that was the case, then you need to do these things across state lines...

    That all said, most of this is moot, as this is here to stay... if people want to change it, they need to be working WITH the law as working against it is futile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    It's not even close to being Constitutional, lol...

    No rational, informed, honest person would conclude that it is Constitutional. Only corrupt, dishonest, activist jurists would approve it. Exhibit A: The SCOTUS. All 9 need to be impeached.
    How come you're not a member of SCOTUS?


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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You see, rhetoric for shock value works to ways. As Obama promised "you can keep you plan" 25 million people were losing their coverage, and potentially sent to their death by Obamacare.
    See how that works?
    Obama let people die too!
    Too cute by half. 25 million "lost" their coverage because of Obamacare? It's a standard Fox "News" line, but it's fundamentally dishonest. "Lost" usually suggests permanence with no recourse. Is that what those people actually experienced? Or is it the case that what they "lost" was actually replaced by something better? Something that would actually cover them when they needed it?
    Come on, can't you do better than tired Fox sound bites?

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