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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Stretch AND spin.

    I guess all those speeches your messiah gave about designing it, the amendments HE made, we lies too.

    The truth is the bare bones hybrid plan has been around a long time, laughed at even longer and was indeed the basis of the plan Obama claimed credit for. However, the fine points that line the pockets of the insurance companies are ALL his.

    Remember when the lying prick tried to lie about "you can keep your plan" when he went to Boston to claim Romney was to blame. The American people, even MSNBC didn't believe that **** then, they don't believe it now, and no historian will ever claim it. But lie on. Its the way of the Democratic Party under Obama and Clinton, make every **** up about people who had no hand in it, when it doubt post some negative **** about Sarah Palin. Meanwhile the rest of the industrialized world is laughing all the way to the bank as the new global economy see the brightest and the best workers are choosing UHC over the Cadillac priced KIA Obama threw out
    I'll tell you what, I show you my evidence to support my position on this if you show me yours....

    Health insurance mandate began as a Republican idea - The Boston Globe
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...dual-mandate/j
    The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate - Forbes
    History of the Individual Health Insurance Mandate, 1989-2010 - Obamacare - ProCon.org
    The irony of Republican disapproval of Obamacare - CSMonitor.com
    Republicans fight Obamacare, but have similar idea - The BG News: Forum
    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/103/s1770
    A Qualitative Analysis of the Heritage Foundation and Pauly Group Proposals to Restructure the Health Insurance System | Congressional Budget Office
    Heritage Rewrites History - WSJ
    Original document where Heritage created Obamacare individual mandate
    http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/hl218.pdf
    http://www.healthaffairs.org/healthp...cybrief_14.pdf
    25 Republicans Who Supported Obamacare Before Obama | Mother Jones
    Individual health care insurance mandate has roots two decades long | Fox News

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    That is classic sour grapes. Yes, all those activist judges appointed by conservatives that are lying in wait to write liberal legislation. Forgive my laughter. I know its rude.

    The reality is that if you bring a frivolous lawsuit, which this was, you get shot down 6 to 3, with the only 3 votes from activist justices. The only reason this went to the SOCTUS was so they could write a comprehensive decision to take away the idea that you could look to the courts to undo legislation. This is what they did: shut down the courts as a method of killing/hurting the PPACA.

    Its time to work WITH the bill, as options to work against it are all but gone.
    So anyone who doesn't agree with you is an activist justice? We have a govt. that is 18.2 trillion dollars in debt and you have no problem giving them more power and more money? Please name for me one, just one Federal Social program that ever cost what it was supposed to cost? Better yet name for me just one economic prediction Obama has made that is accurate? You still buy the leftwing rhetoric no matter how many lies you are told.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post
    Care to expand on that? The thing is, it's a three-legged stool. Remove one of the legs, it all topples.

    --Everyone is covered. No exeptions for pre-existing conditions, etc.
    --Everyone pays for their insurance. No free-loaders who jack up the costs for the rest of us.
    --Subsidies for those who need help paying the premiums.

    Those are the essentials. Everything else are add-ons.
    useless essentials, barely window dressing, and "fixing" problems by paying off insurance companies.

    And that's the problem with the Obama swilling lemmings, you do not care that it is the worst plan on the planet, only that you can claim its better than before and better than Republicans can offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right, you aren't involved in Obamacare yet you seem to know what is best for someone else.
    And since I've never said this, I stopped reading here Conservative.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Stretch AND spin.

    I guess all those speeches your messiah gave about designing it, the amendments HE made, we lies too.

    The truth is the bare bones hybrid plan has been around a long time, laughed at even longer and was indeed the basis of the plan Obama claimed credit for. However, the fine points that line the pockets of the insurance companies are ALL his.

    Remember when the lying prick tried to lie about "you can keep your plan" when he went to Boston to claim Romney was to blame. The American people, even MSNBC didn't believe that **** then, they don't believe it now, and no historian will ever claim it. But lie on. Its the way of the Democratic Party under Obama and Clinton, make every **** up about people who had no hand in it, when it doubt post some negative **** about Sarah Palin. Meanwhile the rest of the industrialized world is laughing all the way to the bank as the new global economy see the brightest and the best workers are choosing UHC over the Cadillac priced KIA Obama threw out


    I'll tell you what, I show you my evidence to support my position on this if you show me yours....


    Health insurance mandate began as a Republican idea - The Boston Globe
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...dual-mandate/j
    The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate - Forbes
    History of the Individual Health Insurance Mandate, 1989-2010 - Obamacare - ProCon.org
    The irony of Republican disapproval of Obamacare - CSMonitor.com
    Republicans fight Obamacare, but have similar idea - The BG News: Forum
    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/103/s1770
    A Qualitative Analysis of the Heritage Foundation and Pauly Group Proposals to Restructure the Health Insurance System | Congressional Budget Office
    Heritage Rewrites History - WSJ
    Original document where Heritage created Obamacare individual mandate
    http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/hl218.pdf
    http://www.healthaffairs.org/healthp...cybrief_14.pdf
    25 Republicans Who Supported Obamacare Before Obama | Mother Jones
    Individual health care insurance mandate has roots two decades long | Fox News

    ...and of course, just how similar was Obamacare to Romneycare? Twins separated at birth....

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...cted-far-smal/
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoz...thcare-reform/
    http://spectator.org/archives/2012/0...neycare-a-cruc
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-car...publican-ideas
    http://healthcarereform.procon.org/v...ourceID=004182
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/10/opinion/10fri4.html


    BTW.... my messiah is THE Messiah. Obama is but a politician and a flawed human being like the rest of us...

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And since I've never said this, I stopped reading here Conservative.
    Fool me once with a lie, shame on you--fool me twice--not gonna get fooled again .
    Do you or don't you have Obamacare?

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Threads like this always bring out the entitlement supporters and people totally ignorant of history. You take opinion pieces out of context and pass them off as fact. Republicans support states' rights, you support a massive entitlement program totally ignoring the 18.2 trillion dollar debt and a private sector that has to pay for this debt. I thought you were a business person, guess I am wrong.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So anyone who doesn't agree with you is an activist justice? We have a govt. that is 18.2 trillion dollars in debt and you have no problem giving them more power and more money? Please name for me one, just one Federal Social program that ever cost what it was supposed to cost? Better yet name for me just one economic prediction Obama has made that is accurate? You still buy the leftwing rhetoric no matter how many lies you are told.
    No more than you buy the right-wing rhetoric no matter how many lies you are told....

    Now, do you suppose you could elevate your debate beyond 3rd grade playground tactics?
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by jpn View Post
    I wouldn't be too proud of the fact that Republicans were happy to let people die for lack of health care. It's a sick chapter in American political life, and one Republicans should let fade away as quickly as possible.
    Ooh, ooh, ooh

    "let people die" Wonderful rhetoric, makes the heart race. Anything to score a political point.

    Well, it seems the Clintons were willing to "let people die' for eight years when Hillary bitched it with typical incompetence.

    And when Canada was adopting universal health care in the 60's, the Democrats were not only willing to let people die, but send them to war to be killed, but only poor people. And then there was Jimmy Carter who "let people die" with no insurance as well as let Americans rot in Tehran.

    You see, rhetoric for shock value works to ways. As Obama promised "you can keep you plan" 25 million people were losing their coverage, and potentially sent to their death by Obamacare.

    See how that works?

    Obama let people die too!
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