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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Canada is just one of the nations in the world different from the US in this regard. Notwithstanding, Canada, nor Germany, nor Britain, nor Japan, nor ............. are "second rate countries". Protection of one's citizenry, all of one's citizenry, is a barometer of first world status. That can come in many forms and is one of the primary functions of government.
    Compared to America you're second rate. America says jump, Canada asks how high.

    If the American people don't want Obamacare, and we don't, then it won't outlast Obama. Your defeatism might be true if we were talking about Canadians, but we're talking about Americans here. We're doers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmi
    Not entirely. The reactionary wing just figures it's their own fault that they're poor and the hell with 'em.
    generally, people who stay poor do so largely because of decisions that they make, such as quitting school, having children out of wedlock, etc. Agreeably, we make it more difficult for them to raise themselves up by imposing price floors on things like labor, and punishing businesses for hiring them v hiring (for example) illegals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    What is never happening is the repeal of the ACA and can only I hope the GOP candidate will be in favor of repeal. That will guarantee a Democratic win across the board. The idea that you believe voters will elect another Bush is quite laughable too.
    People hate obamacare, hence why the dems lost control of congress....but keep lying to yourself I find it funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    you have no idea what you've posted do you?
    just follow the conversations of others and then you can get an idea as to what two people are talking about.

    You are the one that has no idea what I was talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It only took about an hour or two to read because it's double spaced and I can speed read. If you don't read it then how do you know you don't like what's in it, right?
    Holy crap!!!!

    Is this Nancy Pelosi??

    She never read the freaking thing.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Crow View Post
    Holy crap!!!!

    Is this Nancy Pelosi??

    She never read the freaking thing.
    Jiminy Cricket!!!

    As Majority Leader of the House, Pelosi wasn't privy to the Senate bill until after it passed. Once the Senate passed their bill then it goes to the house so they can read and vote on it. That's just how congress works.


    "...Her contention was that the Senate “didn’t have a bill.” And until the Senate produced an actual piece of legislation that could be matched up and debated against what was passed by the House, no one truly knew what would be voted on.

    “It’s because we didn’t have a Senate bill,” Pelosi said forcefully before Eleanor Clift of Newsweek even finished asking her a question about the statement’s context. “We were urging the Senate to pass a bill.” ...."

    Pelosi defends her infamous health care remark - The Washington Post

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    The largest block of text
    Is that the relevant measure?

    >>it is not the job of the Supreme Court to correct wording of legislation.

    If a law clearly intends an outcome that is inconsistent with a minor textual error, it is the Court's job to discern the legislative intent.

    >>I am suggesting they made an error.

    The Congress included a minor textual error.

    >>the Supreme Court. Their clear job is to interpret the law vs. challenge, not edit and repair what Congress did not handle well.

    No, you are wrong. Wrong in the sense that the Court did interpret the law. It's not "editing."

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    where is the better off?
    I don't know what you mean.

    >>Are there less or more people uninsured now than before Obamcare?

    More. Many more.

    >>Are rates the same or more now under Obamacare?

    Rates go up because of the increasing cost of healthcare. The issue is how much. The rate of increase has slowed significantly.

    >>Are medical costs less or more now than under Obamacare?

    Higher. Again, the rate of increase has slowed significantly.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Ocare open enrollment ends at the first half of the year each year. Those are the latest numbers for open enrollment until the final numbers for 2015 come in.
    You gave numbers that you said were "through 2014," implying the period from the program's inception through the end of 2014. If you meant otherwise, you should have said so.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Perhaps you're just not old enough to understand what has happened to language.
    I'm fifty-eight and I'm a professional copyeditor.

    reinterpret

    re-interpret

    You will indeed find re-interpret in published works. The non-hyphenated version is about twelve times more prevalent. The spread was a bit narrower in the late eighteenth century. I'm not saying yer preference is "wrong," and if I implied that I should not have.

    >>And no, interpretation is not necessary

    Nevertheless, the Court interprets. It does not reinterpret, or even re-interpret.

    >>the same critters who wrote the turd that is Obamacare are still alive to tell you what they meant when they enacted it.

    Perhaps their statements in the time leading up to this decision played a role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    I could careless what they say that was the intent of the bill the FACT they got it WRONG is of no consequence but your appeal to authority is amusing.
    the only way you are right is if you believe the SCOTUS is infallible please prove this.
    Evidently you missed out on civics class. The Federal Court System is the ultimate arbiters of federal law. They are the only authority in regards to federal law that counts. You may not like that, but that is how it works in the USA. Its pointless to debate a SCOTUS decision, because our opinions are all irrelevant. If you don't like the ACA, then you simply have to support candidates and convince your peers to support candidates that will repeal the law and of course vote in a president that will not veto their repeal. Good luck with that. I think you have about a zero percent chance on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Its pointless to debate a SCOTUS decision, because our opinions are all irrelevant.
    I wouldn't go that far. Yer right that electoral politics is the solution, but public opinion plays a role in that. And debate can foster understanding and consensus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Compared to America you're second rate. America says jump, Canada asks how high.

    If the American people don't want Obamacare, and we don't, then it won't outlast Obama. Your defeatism might be true if we were talking about Canadians, but we're talking about Americans here. We're doers.
    I said this earlier: Americans don't want Obamacare. They just want what's in it.

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