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    People like you.
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    People that are intelligent ?

    People that are self reliant ?

    People that are proud of their State and Country ?

    So you prefer people that are under the perpetual influence of IQ lowering psychoactive chemical compounds to real Texans ?

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no one for this has shown me where the SCOTUS has the authority or the IRS for that matter to re-write the law.
    which is what they did. that is unconstitutional. they do not have the ability to re-write a law or change the wording of a law yet they did it anyway.

    there is a political will we are just going to have to wait till 2016 when Obama is gone in order to do it.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    I did and you lost.
    No, you say I lost. You offer no evidence to back up yer claim. A truly miserable loss for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Mean Old Republicans Hate Poor People?
    Not entirely. The reactionary wing just figures it's their own fault that they're poor and the hell with 'em.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no you quoted what you wanted from the articles and ignore the rest of it that says different.
    Such as?

    >>again your dishonesty is noted.

    Again, yer saying something doesn't make it true.

    >>all those articles back what I said.

    Where?

    >>you are proven wrong I am proven right.

    You've offered no proof. Yer claims are truly pathetic.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    still won't matter they don't have the 3/4's in the senate to override a veto.
    Two-thirds, and in both chambers. Another constitutional scholar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Grow its economy? Balanced its budget? Created a Surplus?
    All thanks to Obamanomics. Steady improvement nationwide, and at a higher rate where policies like raising the minimum wage have been enacted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You are the first American in 20 years who has shown a true understanding of what it is.
    Many Americans support universal healthcare, if that's what yer referring to. I'm one of them.

    >>What I have never understood is that the US more or less invented the public school system, community owned schools on a universal not for profit footing. But, you refuse to see the same benefits for something as important as health care.

    As you know, the problem is that powerful, vested interests have a stranglehold on the political system. It's bought and paid for.

    >>As strange as this may sound, I believe Canada's "nice" reputation is in part due to our health care, our lower crime rate, indeed our community oriented culture our growing unity as a nation, all have been bolstered by health care.

    Doesn't sound strange to me. I might well be better off living in the Great White North. But I'm an American and I'll stay here and fight for I think is right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The roads in my State are paid by my state, county roads like the one I live on are paid for by taxes taken at the county level.
    And the interstate highway is paid for and owned by Uncle Sam.

    >>Unless you live in my county or my state, what and how much exactly do you pay that I would "enjoy" exactly? Quantify it for me.

    $17,362.54

    >>do you pay my Netflix bill? I enjoy my internet service

    The Internet grew out of federal spending "a prime example of the importance of government spending to scientific advances and innovation." ("What We Don't Know About Innovation," Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond)

    >>did you subsidize my car and how much did you subsidize so that I can thank you properly?

    Auto bailout saved that industry. Federal money has done a lot for driving safety, fuel mileage, and lower levels of pollution.

    >>The justice system was here before you or I paid taxes to support it and it will be here long after

    But it wouldn't be operating without current revenues, some of which are federal.

    It should be noted that you pay federal taxes as well. As Colonel Cathcart would say, "It's all part of the contract."

    >>you want me to THANK you for paying your LAWFUL taxes because I benefit by you doing what you have no choice but to do

    You said yerself that he could go to prison for not paying. That would be a choice.

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    As for Obamacare, if the Repubs take the White House in 2016 its days will be numbered.
    That's one reason the GOP will not capture the WH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yep, they've gone from re-interpreting the Constitution and what words mean to re-interpreting what legislation means. Why have a congress, just pass a few blanket bills and allow the SCOTUS to re-interpret their meaning as the demand requires.
    Reinterpreting? (There's no hyphen.) Who does the plain old "interpreting"? I'll tell ya. It's the Court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, if six SC Justices, experts in Constitutional law, disagree with your interpretation, then it's possible they understand the "interpret in concert with the Constitution" better than you do. Not sure what else to say.
    I have to admit, you are pretty good at trying to turn this around. It is not about me knowing more than a supreme court judge, it is about 3 of them having a take on this decision today that I agree with.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I said "one of the biggest" and no one would argue that the credit/subsidy mechanism that makes insurance affordable to the poor and is costing $trillions over time is a minor provision. You're splitting hairs for some reason.
    Because you made it up.

    The largest block of text behind ACA is Title 2: The Role of Public Programs, at almost 100 sections covering everything from every part of Medicaid, CHIP, various government Prescription Drug Plans, MACPAC assessment policies, and other Child Health Services. The second largest block is Title 3: Improving the Quality and Efficiency of Healthcare, also at almost 100 sections covering everything from Medicare, to Healthcare and Hospital evaluations, to Fee Schedule and Coding changes, to Payment Accuracy, to Charge Master regulations, to Medicare Part D plan changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    If it was a drafting error, it's clear the majority made the correct decision.

    It's not the "merit of Scalia's argument." The idea that the provision was intended to be written in such a way that NO ONE understood the practical impact of not setting up an exchange is laughable, absurd, ridiculous.

    Again, unless you want to cite some law here, mistake ==> majority made the correct decision.
    Again, since you do not or will not understand, it is not the job of the Supreme Court to correct wording of legislation. It is not the job of the Supreme Court to make legislation at all, it is there job to evaluate the challenge made against the law as passed. In this case, they politically made a decision and made a conclusion that the document itself does not stipulate.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    We aren't making progress. 6 justices disagree with you, and the law stands. That decision was sound. The dissent's interpretation was arguably also legally sound. The SC job is making a decision when the law isn't clear and there are competing interpretations, and they made it - that's how the system works. Bottom line is simple decisions with a clear right/wrong answer don't get to the SC.
    I am not suggesting the law does not stand, I am suggesting they made an error. 3 justices pointed out the error in dissent. And you are wrong on the powers of the Supreme Court. Their clear job is to interpret the law vs. challenge, not edit and repair what Congress did not handle well. The law as written was clear, today 6 justices expanded the definition of "State" to include the Federal Government.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    So tell us mmi, where is the better off? Are there less or more people uninsured now than before Obamcare? Are rates the same or more now under Obamacare? Are medical costs less or more now than under Obamacare?

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    The article states that "71 percent of the combined increase in health insurance coverage during the first half of 2014 was attributable to 25 states and the District of Columbia adopting the Obamacare Medicaid expansion."
    Ocare open enrollment ends at the first half of the year each year. Those are the latest numbers for open enrollment until the final numbers for 2015 come in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    And gratefully, these changes aren't going anywhere either. They will be here for decades, thankfully. I say it's long overdue.
    :raises eyebrow: I'm not sure what ACA you're talking about, but the one I'm aware of doubles down on employer provided health insurance by mandating it for companies with over 50 employees, and punishing them if they don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    Reinterpreting? (There's no hyphen.) Who does the plain old "interpreting"? I'll tell ya. It's the Court.
    Perhaps you're just not old enough to understand what has happened to language.

    separated by a common language: to hyphenate or not to hyphenate?

    And no, interpretation is not necessary when the same critters who wrote the turd that is Obamacare are still alive to tell you what they meant when they enacted it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    There is a bright side.

    The Supreme court's ruling put ObamaCare back into the laps of the Democrat party and it let the GOP Congress off the hook.

    This is a law thats so bad, so unpopular, that Democrats did everything they could to NOT mention its existence in the run up to the 2014 elections, and still lost.

    Its not going to improve either, its going to get worse. And in 2016, the Democrat party will have no one to blame while they're trying again to avoid talking about Obama's signature legislation.

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