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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    As I previously mentioned, I paid about $28k in taxes last year. Ludin's claim was that he paid for a subsidy he thinks I'm receiving. If that's so--that is, if he can claim that because he paid taxes, he's paying for something for me, I can say the same. Everyone benefits from government in some way, and from being a member of society in some way. Did you drive on a road today, or ever gotten something shipped to you on a road? Or, did the Russians/Chinese/Islamic Terrorists/South American Cartels not shoot you today? Is there a justice system of which you can avail yourself? Etc. Etc. If so, you can thank everyone who pays taxes--including me (and yourself, presumably).
    The roads in my State are paid by my state, county roads like the one I live on are paid for by taxes taken at the county level. Unless you live in my county or my state, what and how much exactly do you pay that I would "enjoy" exactly? Quantify it for me. I pay my own way - I enjoy Netflix ... do you pay my Netflix bill? I enjoy my internet service, I enjoy my car... did you subsidize my car and how much did you subsidize so that I can thank you properly? The justice system was here before you or I paid taxes to support it and it will be here long after - I "enjoy" the benefits of the justice system... hm... I guess I could say I benefit by it's existence but I don't really have a choice if I want to continue to live in the United States - it's not like I can suddenly stop paying taxes because then I'd really WOULD benefit by your tax dollars as an inmate in a prison.

    So let me just state for the record, you don't pay anything that you don't already have to pay by LAW... by LAW you and I pay taxes which keep interstate roads, which keep an military, which keeps a government. We do not have a choice, yet you want me to THANK you for paying your LAWFUL taxes because I benefit by you doing what you have no choice but to do - and that is pay your taxes if you indeed make enough money per year to qualify.

    I'd like it better if you paid my car payment and my electric bill while you're at it.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Maybe the Cons will finally stop trying to rely on legislation from the bench. Perhaps they will get smart and actually work WITH the PPACA (fix the legislation, where appropriate and expand state exchanges), because they are out of options in working against it.
    No, how on earth are the new and current republicans in the house going to get their "anti-Obama care/anti-Obama" brownie points with their prospective voters if they are no longer able to vote against (for the umpteenth time) Obama care

    They have plenty of time to keep repealing it to no avail, it's not like they have anything important to do, you know like run an country
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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It should be noted that this case was not about constitutional grounds but the actual wording of the legislation.
    Fair enough!
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, how on earth are the new and current republicans in the house going to get their "anti-Obama care/anti-Obama" brownie points with their prospective voters if they are no longer able to vote against (for the umpteenth time) Obama care

    They have plenty of time to keep repealing it to no avail, it's not like they have anything important to do, you know like run an country
    They had time to support BHO on free trade when his own party did not. As for Obamacare, if the Repubs take the White House in 2016 its days will be numbered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    Just as I pay for many things you enjoy...it's called being a member of society. If you don't like it, try the alternative: there's a fairly lax immigration law in Somalia right now.
    ie I can't actually address the issue with any kind of logic.
    I don't owe you healthcare.




    First, I'm curious whether you can actually think of thousands of such people. It's pretty difficult for most people to keep more than a hundred or so others straight, let alone thousands. Have you actually looked at their premiums? All however-many thousands of them?

    Second, I'm curious whether you can show this was actually due to the ACA, rather than some other factor.

    Finally, as I recall, what was originally on the table was a single payer system, which conservatives squashed because it was just too "socialist" or something. Instead, it was argued that opening exchanges would free the forces of the marketplace, driving prices down. Are you saying that perhaps market forces aren't the miracle conservatives have thought?
    The public option wasn't just squashed by republicans but democrats as well. so this pandering lie is done and over with.

    no only democrats were saying that almost every republican knew that this was a lie as well.
    you can't force coverage on people and expect prices to decrease.

    so far that has been the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    They had time to support BHO on free trade when his own party did not. As for Obamacare, if the Repubs take the White House in 2016 its days will be numbered.
    Your optimism is commendable, if puzzling.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Here's more Obamacare Hope and Change...

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    Your optimism is commendable, if puzzling.
    It would only qualify as optimism if I favored Obamacare repeal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Yes, but you believe the decision is wrong in your POV, but as you can see many others disagree. (and I say this with no malice or animosity, whatesover)

    That's the way court cases go, particularly in appeals courts, of which the SC is the final court of appeal.

    If the ruling went the other-way there'd be just as many similar complaints - all these politicos drumming-up their bases by claiming the ruling is 'unconstitutional' etc., are playing for the media. They know the ruling stands. And if the ruling was truly that bad, there'd be the political-will to re-legislate to specifically nullify the SC objections.
    no one for this has shown me where the SCOTUS has the authority or the IRS for that matter to re-write the law.
    which is what they did. that is unconstitutional. they do not have the ability to re-write a law or change the wording of a law yet they did it anyway.

    there is a political will we are just going to have to wait till 2016 when Obama is gone in order to do it.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no one for this has shown me where the SCOTUS has the authority or the IRS for that matter to re-write the law.
    which is what they did. that is unconstitutional. they do not have the ability to re-write a law or change the wording of a law yet they did it anyway.

    there is a political will we are just going to have to wait till 2016 when Obama is gone in order to do it.
    Yep, they've gone from re-interpreting the Constitution and what words mean to re-interpreting what legislation means. Why have a congress, just pass a few blanket bills and allow the SCOTUS to re-interpret their meaning as the demand requires.

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