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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    Just as I pay for many things you enjoy...it's called being a member of society.
    What things do you specifically pay for that I enjoy? I'm curious.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Born here over 60 years ago. I don't like what the right-wing conserva-nuts have turned it into. Bye-bye!
    Grow its economy ?

    Balanced its budget ?

    Created a Surplus ?

    What's not to like ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    .... because FDR did it, and we don't like to change things that FDR did because Mean Old Republicans Hate Poor People?
    And gratefully, these changes aren't going anywhere either. They will be here for decades, thankfully. I say it's long overdue.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    That is the problem. there is nothing to stop the SCOTUS. I mean congress can fix the bill,
    but as we see here we have the SCOTUS doing an unconstitutional thing and re-writing a established law which is not their authority.
    that is where scalia just nails them to the wall.

    he is right words now mean nothing. what is worse is now the federal government is or a federal organization is not considered a state.
    Yes, but you believe the decision is wrong in your POV, but as you can see many others disagree. (and I say this with no malice or animosity, whatesover)

    That's the way court cases go, particularly in appeals courts, of which the SC is the final court of appeal.

    If the ruling went the other-way there'd be just as many similar complaints - all these politicos drumming-up their bases by claiming the ruling is 'unconstitutional' etc., are playing for the media. They know the ruling stands. And if the ruling was truly that bad, there'd be the political-will to re-legislate to specifically nullify the SC objections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham
    What things do you specifically pay for that I enjoy? I'm curious.
    As I previously mentioned, I paid about $28k in taxes last year. Ludin's claim was that he paid for a subsidy he thinks I'm receiving. If that's so--that is, if he can claim that because he paid taxes, he's paying for something for me, I can say the same. Everyone benefits from government in some way, and from being a member of society in some way. Did you drive on a road today, or ever gotten something shipped to you on a road? Or, did the Russians/Chinese/Islamic Terrorists/South American Cartels not shoot you today? Is there a justice system of which you can avail yourself? Etc. Etc. If so, you can thank everyone who pays taxes--including me (and yourself, presumably).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Grow its economy ?

    Balanced its budget ?

    Created a Surplus ?

    What's not to like ???
    People like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    You definitely have that right.

    Also, in a macro economics sense it's very easy to see when you have a profit-making layer between the funds & the service (i.e. the insurance companies), there will be more costs (and more inefficiencies). Ditching the insurance companies will save us about 27% of our healthcare dollar (if I remember correctly), which would easily cover everyone.

    This is what happens when you have a governing structure that is open to the highest bidder, and money flows in virtually unabated - in such a system moneyed interests will prevail.


    You are the first American in 20 years who has shown a true understanding of what it is. Kudos to you, you have done some homework. I would say any figure between 25 and 30% would be accurate in terms of initial outright savings. However, thew next step is to reduce the profit aspect in the delivery end, community owned, not for profit hospitals.

    Having said that, we have a giant problem there with the type of funding, but its a side issue.

    Now, you combine all the programs, bam, bye bye a whole lot of unnecessary bureaucracy.

    What I have never understood is that the US more or less invented the public school system, community owned schools on a universal not for profit footing. But, you refuse to see the same benefits for something as important as health care.

    As strange as this may sound, I believe Canada's "nice" reputation is in part due to our health care, our lower crime rate, indeed our community oriented culture our growing unity as a nation, all have been bolstered by health care.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR]Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies

    Story just now breaking. More info to come soon. Millions of Americans get to keep their healthcare. A huge win for the Obama admin.
    I wonder if BHO appreciates the irony that his most valuable allies are John Roberts, Mitch McConnell and John Boehner.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR]Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies

    Story just now breaking. More info to come soon. Millions of Americans get to keep their healthcare. A huge win for the Obama admin.
    As tedious as the anti-ACA crusade is and as much as I look forward to its merciful end, I don't think I'll ever get tired of days like this.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Yes, but you believe the decision is wrong in your POV, but as you can see many others disagree. (and I say this with no malice or animosity, whatesover)

    That's the way court cases go, particularly in appeals courts, of which the SC is the final court of appeal.

    If the ruling went the other-way there'd be just as many similar complaints - all these politicos drumming-up their bases by claiming the ruling is 'unconstitutional' etc., are playing for the media. They know the ruling stands. And if the ruling was truly that bad, there'd be the political-will to re-legislate to specifically nullify the SC objections.
    It should be noted that this case was not about constitutional grounds but the actual wording of the legislation.

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