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    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    That's an interesting comment, because the Supreme Court did more-or-less seize it's own power (over Congress), when Justice Marshall established 'judicial review' early-on in the Court's (and country's) history.
    That is the problem. there is nothing to stop the SCOTUS. I mean congress can fix the bill,
    but as we see here we have the SCOTUS doing an unconstitutional thing and re-writing a established law which is not their authority.
    that is where scalia just nails them to the wall.

    he is right words now mean nothing. what is worse is now the federal government is or a federal organization is not considered a state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, issued decision you disagree with so obviously that must mean he's a traitor.
    when a judges responsibility is to uphold the constitution and he upholds his politics instead yes that is treason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    My God, I quoted the articles. How could "the articles say different than [my] post"? Good luck with that.
    no you quoted what you wanted from the articles and ignore the rest of it that says different. again your dishonesty is noted.

    all those articles back what I said. you are proven wrong I am proven right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Ludin. Here is what Boehner said today.



    Boehner: We'll keep trying to repeal Obamacare......


    House Speaker John Boehner said Thursday that the GOP will keep trying to repeal Obamacare, after a Supreme Court ruling that upheld subsidies to people using the federal insurance exchange and basically left the law intact.

    Obamacare is fundamentally broken, increasing healthcare costs for millions of Americans. Today's ruling doesn't change that fact," Boehner said. "Republicans will continue to listen to American families and work to protect them from the consequences of Obamacare." "And we will continue our efforts to repeal the law and replace it with patient-centered solutions that meet the needs of seniors, small business owners, and middle-class families," he said.

    Republicans have been legislatively picking at the law, voting to repeal parts of it, most recently the medical device tax. The GOP is also mulling a plan to repeal much of the law as part of the budget process, using a parliamentary procedure that would allow the Senate GOP to vote to repeal it with just 51 votes.....snip~

    Boehner: We'll keep trying to repeal Obamacare | WashingtonExaminer.com
    still won't matter they don't have the 3/4's in the senate to override a veto.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Wait there's more!

    I ran businesses most of my life, even in media I was middle management. When you "own" the operation it's different again. You will more than a few times have to forgo paying yourself to make payroll, it is a fact.

    but to the point, with UHC I have an advantage over US companies. While my company pays less tax than a US firm, I do not have the employer portion of the for profit insurance industry which is reaping in record profits through the Obamacare they wrote. I can, to be more competitive offering higher benefits than what is affordable by small companies in the US. Or I can offer better wages, or both.

    Further, my sick leave pay will be down between 20 and 30 %, simply based on the fact the employee need not worry about any cost when seeing a doctor.

    Then we can look at how much the Obamacare system takes OUT of the economy, where the profits go, and the true global cost of that system.
    You definitely have that right.

    Also, in a macro economics sense it's very easy to see when you have a profit-making layer between the funds & the service (i.e. the insurance companies), there will be more costs (and more inefficiencies). Ditching the insurance companies will save us about 27% of our healthcare dollar (if I remember correctly), which would easily cover everyone.

    This is what happens when you have a governing structure that is open to the highest bidder, and money flows in virtually unabated - in such a system moneyed interests will prevail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR]Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies

    Story just now breaking. More info to come soon. Millions of Americans get to keep their healthcare. A huge win for the Obama admin.
    Not surprised. SCOTUS knew that this would have majorly hurt Obamacare, possibly even kill it so in order to preserve the status quo it was upheld. I doubt very seriously that whether it was unconstitutional or not actually mattered. After all, they did turn a "fine" into a "tax".
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I guess you never read history and how a president eased the nation into war against Germany. I guess you never read about Ronald Reagan and how he convinced another nation to tear down a wall.
    Those are nice stories, but there was a lot more to both of those (not sure which nation eased into war with Germany - which one?) than mere rhetoric and powers of persuasion. The fall of the Berlin Wall was the culmination of many years of efforts and of many events totally outside Reagan's control. 20 or 10 or even 5 years earlier Reagan could have given that speech 100 times and not a thing happens. Surely you know this.

    My politicians are leaders, go ahead back a follower....here they are called cowards. If the great Obama isn't as able as a lowly Canadian Prairie preacher who was able to sway a nation to a great idea.
    I've read just the cliff notes version of the 'swaying' and it took decades and started with a single, relatively small province. You're talking about a complete overhaul of a healthcare system of a vast, diverse country with 10 times the population, overnight.

    But thanks for admitting Obama is an inept leader.
    He's inept because he tried and got something done after decades of inaction.... got it. If only he'd have used his Green Lantern Super Powers he could have changed the world!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    .... because FDR did it, and we don't like to change things that FDR did because Mean Old Republicans Hate Poor People?
    Irrespective, it's time to move on.

    And I blame the current mess (the ACA) on moneyed interests (the insurance industry, etc.) purchasing Congressional influence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If you don't read it then how do you know you don't like what's in it, right?
    You can't tell what's in it by reading it, silly!

    We had to pass it, so that we could challenge it, so that John Roberts could tell us what should have been in it.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin
    congrats you get subsidy. that is why it was lower. mine went up and has gone up drastically due to obamacare.
    I don't get subsidies to pay for my healthcare. yet i get to pay for all those subsidies that you enjoy.
    Just as I pay for many things you enjoy...it's called being a member of society. If you don't like it, try the alternative: there's a fairly lax immigration law in Somalia right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60
    Well, I can think of thousands of people in my company alone whose premiums went up. Obama said I'd save $2500 a year. today he claimed $1800 a year, so I guess he is confused. $2500 a year savings because of Obamacare. So, over the past 5 years, where is my $12,500?
    First, I'm curious whether you can actually think of thousands of such people. It's pretty difficult for most people to keep more than a hundred or so others straight, let alone thousands. Have you actually looked at their premiums? All however-many thousands of them?

    Second, I'm curious whether you can show this was actually due to the ACA, rather than some other factor.

    Finally, as I recall, what was originally on the table was a single payer system, which conservatives squashed because it was just too "socialist" or something. Instead, it was argued that opening exchanges would free the forces of the marketplace, driving prices down. Are you saying that perhaps market forces aren't the miracle conservatives have thought?

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