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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    So at the risk of thread derailment.....

    My brother, hard core workin man, drives truck, does masonry, plumbing, framing and just about any other tough job that can be done with your hands. hasn't had insurance since he left the Marine Core 25 years ago. Under Obama he get's catastrophic insurance, it costs him like $110 a month and his deductibles are really, crazy high, but if he ever gets mouth cancer from chewing tobacco all these years, the $50,000-$100,000 dollars it would have cost him to have it treated is now paid for. He doesn't have to sell a lifetimes worth of tools (his livelihood) to pay for treatment....His out of pocket, $10K? I don't see how this isn't a steal?
    Well first the catastrophic plan is only available to those under 30, and your brother sounds like he's more like late 40's early 50's, so he'd have to get one of the regular plans. Depending on how much he makes he may have to pay a deductible of $6,000 or so and yes, it's a steal because healthy people subsidize the remaining $94,000 (using your example). However it's not that great yet ... the solution so far has been to subsidize and continue to subsidize. Newer cancer treatment drugs are insanely expensive and $100,000 won't even begin to pay for the treatments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huffington Post
    While insurers and premium-payers will be happy with the delay—whose legal justification is dubious once again—there are groups that grumbled. Specifically, groups representing those with chronic diseases, and the pharmaceutical companies whose costly drugs they will use. “The American Cancer Society shares the concern” about the delay, says Pear, “and noted that some new cancer drugs cost $100,000 a year or more.” But a big part of the reason those drugs cost so much is because manufacturers know that government-run insurers will pay up.

    “The promise of out-of-pocket limits was one of the main reasons we supported health reform,” says Theodore M. Thompson of the National Multiple Sclerosis Society . “We have wonderful new drugs, the biologics, to treat rheumatoid arthritis,” said Patience H. White of the Arthritis Foundation. “But they are extremely expensive.”

    The progressive solution to expensive problems? More subsidies. But subsidies don’t reduce the underlying cost of care. They only excuse the high prices that manufacturers and service providers already charge.
    Obamacare's Out-Of-Pocket Caps Waived Until 2015: Forbes

    This is why many have claimed insurance rates will increase because those who are on Obamacare will increase, the amount of chronic illness will exceed by far the amount of subsidies available in the system to have the healthy pay for those who cannot pay, therefore the healthy must pay MORE to even it out. I guess if you're healthy it kinds sucks to have to pay more, but if you're chronically ill, it's one less thing to worry about.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I've seen all the twitter comments from GOPs.
    It's still the same song-and-dance routine with repeal and no specifics with which to replace it .
    Jindal has a plan. Ryan has a plan. Price has a Plan. Plus I think there were like 3 others. All have specifics in them.

    So its not like they didn't have a plan. Even had Demos in with them on repealing the Medical Device Tax. Plus had Demos seeking relief from the mandate.

    Which we all know. BO was constantly threatening to veto anything that took down his Special Package.



    I don't think Roberts will be hanging out in certain circles much anymore. Which for the Right. That is a good thing.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Sorry but I just don't buy a word of that. Liberals call it the Green Lantern Theory of the presidency, and it refers to the notion that the POTUS has these immense powers of persuasion that if only he'd use them could convince, in this case, right wing republicans (who met and agreed to fight Obama on EVERYTHING before he was inaugurated) would have gone along with socialized medicine in the U.S.

    You just have to ignore all the political realities in the U.S. circa 2009 to believe it. The Democratic author of the bill, Baucus, was a puppet of the insurers and hired a f'ing insurance company VP to write the law. The idea that a single payer system killing off insurers makes it into a bill that even gets a serious hearing is wishful thinking at its finest, and the idea that a single payer system that would eliminate the market for some of the U.S. largest companies could get 60 votes is just absurd.


    I guess you never read history and how a president eased the nation into war against Germany. I guess you never read about Ronald Reagan and how he convinced another nation to tear down a wall.

    My politicians are leaders, go ahead back a follower....here they are called cowards. If the great Obama isn't as able as a lowly Canadian Prairie preacher who was able to sway a nation to a great idea.

    But thanks for admitting Obama is an inept leader.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Incorrect.

    1) Congress can pass another law; e.g. there is absolutely no legal reason it can pass a law that explicitly suspends subsidies for states that don't run their own exchanges, or overturns the ACA. If you've got the votes, of course.

    2) Justices can be impeached.

    3) The Constitution can be modified, either via amendment or a Convention.

    There are numerous other flaws in the US Constitution, but this is not the thread to review those problems. Anyway...



    hahahaha

    Good luck with that.

    The opponents of the law will also need a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, which is highly unlikely. Then, they'll need to fight the health care industry, most of which has already adapted to the new system at no small expense. Then, someone has to explain why the people who lambasted the ACA for pushing people off their old plans and onto new plans, are going to completely take away health insurance from about 18 million people. These are the same politicians who have not offered a real replacement, despite this whole process starting in 2010.

    Let's not forget that merely referring to it as "Obamacare" drives down poll numbers; that calling it the ACA in a poll boost support by several points -- and that many of the provisions are, in fact, highly popular. E.g. in 2014:

    - Extension of dependent coverage: 80% approval
    - Close Medicare donut hole: 79%
    - Subsidies: 77%
    - Eliminate copays for preventative care: 77%
    - Medicaid expansion: 74%
    - Guaranteed issue: 70%
    - Medical loss ratio: 62%
    - Increase Medicare payroll tax on upper income: 56%
    - Individual mandate/penalty: 35%

    (And as usual, we see how the American public wants benefits, but doesn't want to pay for it. Big shock.)

    Sorry dude, but this war's pretty much over.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Exactly!

    It takes a lot of balls, capital expenditure, capital flow (soon hopefully), and the need to develop positive cash flow ASAP. All of which are facilitated by taking healthcare expenditures off the table!

    This seems so otherwise obvious, that I'm at a loss to see how it's not touted more ...


    Wait there's more!

    I ran businesses most of my life, even in media I was middle management. When you "own" the operation it's different again. You will more than a few times have to forgo paying yourself to make payroll, it is a fact.

    but to the point, with UHC I have an advantage over US companies. While my company pays less tax than a US firm, I do not have the employer portion of the for profit insurance industry which is reaping in record profits through the Obamacare they wrote. I can, to be more competitive offering higher benefits than what is affordable by small companies in the US. Or I can offer better wages, or both.

    Further, my sick leave pay will be down between 20 and 30 %, simply based on the fact the employee need not worry about any cost when seeing a doctor.

    Then we can look at how much the Obamacare system takes OUT of the economy, where the profits go, and the true global cost of that system.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    71% of all newly insured through 2014 were from Medicaid Expansion. (source)
    The article states that "71 percent of the combined increase in health insurance coverage during the first half of 2014 was attributable to 25 states and the District of Columbia adopting the Obamacare Medicaid expansion."

    So not "through 2014." "During the first half of 2014."

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    But....but....but just like with all those part time jobs being created showing impressive Obama job growth facts like these don't matter to big govt. liberals who promote the nanny state.
    Another of this creep's lies that I have refuted over and over.

    emp_pt_1994_2015.jpg

    Spiked very briefly last fall for some reason, now back down to a historically low level of around seven million. Over the past five years, private-sector employment has increased by 12.6 million to 122 million, while public-sector jobs have decreased by about two million.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, it put your chart in its proper perspective.
    What perspective is that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    mimi loves posting opinions and passing them off as fact. … I fully expect mimi
    This putz loves referring to me as "mimi." What a clown.

    >>I don't see Obama creating 12 million jobs because he inherited 142 million that is 148 million today at a cost of 7.6 trillion dollars added to the debt.

    Employment fell to 138 million by the end of 2009, while the effects of the Great Recession, which resulted from tax cuts for the wealthy and an irresponsible deregulation of the financial sector, played through the labor market. This idiot pretends he can analyze the US economy, but he is completely ignorant of how it operates.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    interesting that the articles say different than your post. your dishonesty is noted.

    i have proven my point. your post is irrelevant compared to the articles.
    My God, I quoted the articles. How could "the articles say different than [my] post"? Good luck with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I read most of it and it wasn't that hard to understand.
    Holy crap!!!

    You must be a genius with a lot of time on your hands, I mean a looooottttt of time on your hands. lmao.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    Hmmm...my insurance dropped to $80 per month, no co-pay, no prescription fee, no difference whether in-vs-out of network coverage, no deductible. I pay $80 a month, and I can get literally any health care I need with no out-of-pocket cost. Ditto the other members of my immediate family. Most of the people I know experienced similar salutary effects. I don't know anyone whose premium increased. The stories I've read of people who did have increased premiums were of people who had super-high deductibles and co-pays or something beforehand, which plans the insurance companies decided to drop.
    Well, I can think of thousands of people in my company alone whose premiums went up. Obama said I'd save $2500 a year. today he claimed $1800 a year, so I guess he is confused. $2500 a year savings because of Obamacare. So, over the past 5 years, where is my $12,500?
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Well, I can think of thousands of people in my company alone whose premiums went up. Obama said I'd save $2500 a year. today he claimed $1800 a year, so I guess he is confused. $2500 a year savings because of Obamacare. So, over the past 5 years, where is my $12,500?
    Don't hold your breath... I'm still waiting for my free Iraq oil card from when the left kept claiming the US invaded for the oil. Still no free Iraq oil card though....
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    GOP posters like you should be demanding to see what your leading POTUS contenders will REPLACE SCOTUS-care with, along with the plans from GOP House and Senate members being introduced on the floors of those bodies .


    Right now theres a leadership problem with those in Congress, and we don't have to demand to see what the leading Potus Contenders will replace BO care with. They will eagerly tout their idea in their race to be President.

    Although he wont be a leading contender. I do think Jindal has the advantage there with his plan that he came out with. I think that was last year or the year before.

    Not to mention he use to be an advisor to HHS.

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