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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR]Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies

    Story just now breaking. More info to come soon. Millions of Americans get to keep their healthcare. A huge win for the Obama admin.
    It is certainly a new interpretation of the way constitutional rights are interpreted to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Its all good.....if you aint on Food stamps. Just sayin.
    GOP posters like you should be demanding to see what your leading POTUS contenders will REPLACE SCOTUS-care with, along with the plans from GOP House and Senate members being introduced on the floors of those bodies .
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Its all good.....if you aint on Food stamps. Just sayin.
    I keep my food stamps next to my Obama phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    that is the one flaw in the constitution. there is no check and balance against the SCOTUS.
    That's an interesting comment, because the Supreme Court did more-or-less seize it's own power (over Congress), when Justice Marshall established 'judicial review' early-on in the Court's (and country's) history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It is certainly a new interpretation of the way constitutional rights are interpreted to work.
    Since the GOP House refuses to REPLACE what they are trying to REPEAL, while just going to court, the third wing of the USSC has acted for them, as they chose them to do .
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    This is water under the bridge, but one person who was right all along in the ACA negotiations said the 59 was never really solid. Don't know if he was right, but what he understood was as long as there were only 59, Democrats wanted to sign on to the public option for political reasons, but that one or more would have been stripped off if it actually meant that part would pass. As I recall, Bayh was an especially weak vote, and his wife, surprise, made mid 6 figures serving on the BOD of a couple of insurers.... Coincidence I'm sure!
    It never would have passed if 2 republican senators hadn't betrayed the people of their state or the people of America.
    they did betray the people that voted for them. otherwise the bill never would have passed.

    then Roberts makes one of the worst SCOTUS decisions in the world almost similar to the screw you deal that has us all in a blunder.
    then he doubles down and does it again.

    he is a wreck of a chief justice he has betrayed the constitution and his oath of office and should be removed.
    the same for all the other members of the court that voted for this stupid bill.

    they put their politics above the constitution. that is treason in my book.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's funny - you post an article then make claims that are nowhere mentioned in what you cited.
    I apologize, I sometimes forget that not everyone is as well read as me. I would have thought it was common sense given the amount of information available but that's a good call...

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    Oregon Study Exposes Another ObamaCare Falsehood: Rather Than Reduce Unnecessary ER Use, Medicaid Increases It - Forbes

    I predicate my statements on that Oregon study where Medicaid customers increased their use of ER's even after they were covered. I look at it this way: I went to Obamacare website and signed up for a mid-level plan with a low premium and high deductible because I had to. Now, I'm sick - do I go to a regular doctors office and have to pay my deductible and pay for my sickness or do I just go to the ER and say, "I don't have insurance. Treat me." No brainer. ER's are open 24/7, will treat any malady for the poor (and must) so why not go there? It's not difficult to see why ER traffic increased and probably will continue to increase.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I won't delve into your closing statement, but I'm in FULL agreement with your opening paragraph.

    You make a very practical argument. That being said, I don't see single-payer coming quickly or (definitely not) easily. Mrs. Clinton is a strong universal healthcare proponent, so there may be possibilities if she were to get into office, but I'm not sure if her allegiance to big money will allow it. A public-option would be a further push in the direction of single-payer, and might be more doable. In fact, a public-option may be the initial construct leading to expansion to full single-payer (I would just expand MediCare by lowering the age over time - no idea if that's politically feasible; I doubt it, and the ACA seems to be the national umbrella system now).
    That's fair - I'd say if Hillary Clinton somehow becomes President, a huge mistake in my view, you can forget about any comprehensive change to the ACA. It will be left to collapse unto itself. The only chance for comprehensive reform will be through a Republican President, someone like Jeb Bush, who can move away from the mandates and push to have broadened coverage of those without insurance at the moment - this is what should have been done in the US before the ACA. It would be, in effect, a federally funded complete expansion of Medicaid to cover those without insurance for financial reasons. In effect, a self-insurance program.

    That will, over time, move the nation towards a single payer system that is supported by the majority of people. And you're right, it wouldn't be quick and it won't be easy, but a Clinton Presidency sets it back a decade and perhaps the ACA collapses under it's own inefficient weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Just pick and choose what laws to follow and what laws to ignore. Can't see a problem with that....
    Neither could John Roberts!

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    So at the risk of thread derailment.....

    My brother, hard core workin man, drives truck, does masonry, plumbing, framing and just about any other tough job that can be done with your hands. hasn't had insurance since he left the Marine Core 25 years ago. Under Obama he get's catastrophic insurance, it costs him like $110 a month and his deductibles are really, crazy high, but if he ever gets mouth cancer from chewing tobacco all these years, the $50,000-$100,000 dollars it would have cost him to have it treated is now paid for. He doesn't have to sell a lifetimes worth of tools (his livelihood) to pay for treatment....His out of pocket, $10K? I don't see how this isn't a steal?
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