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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Well, your motivations for moving are completely different than motivations of the Millions of economic refugees that have come to Texas looking for jobs.
    Fenton loves to lie about this. He ignores out-migration and never offers any numbers. Texass reactionary bullcrap.

    >>People that are moving here are looking for something far more substantial than just another way to cook their brains.

    A lot of them are looking for cheap housing, part of a weak, retrograde state economy.

    >>Thank God there's Texas.

    You could say the same thing about yer septic tank.

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    There is an almost superstitious understanding of math with the left.
    May seem superstitious to you. We prefer facts to bull****.

    >>Its only used as a means to further the agenda.

    We could lie and offer vague, unsubstantiated, ideological rhetoric like reactionaries do, but that's not our style.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Millions of people that have been introduced to chronic unemployment and dependance.
    12.6 million private-sector jobs created since 2010 with the public sector shrinking by two million.

    >>the Democrats who were up for election in the 2014 elections avoided ObamaCare like it was the plague. And they still got their clocks cleaned.

    They likely would have done better if they had argued in support of the ACA.

    >>They'll have no one to blame in 2016

    We'll be too busy celebrating.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Missouri and Illinois
    ????

    Is there any point to that?

    >>Did you want to try a chart for those not looking for a job too?

    Do you mean so-called "discouraged workers"? Here they are in thousands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Of course by then I will be on Medicare.
    The third wing of the SCOTUS continues to emerge with this 6-3 decision.

    On Housing, Roberts is now fully into legacy mode by crossing over.
    I would expect future decisions on voting rights and citizens divided to eventually be revisited.

    I agree with the argument that Florida GOPs were saved by the SCOTUS care decision.
    I expect the same on the legalizing of gay marriages---it's as if Roberts is saving the GOP from itself .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Born here over 60 years ago. I don't like what the right-wing conserva-nuts have turned it into. Bye-bye!
    I know a lot of people with no self esteem, no initiative, no drive, and that entitlement mentality like you who feel the same way, Bye!!

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    True.

    But they have the power of interpretation, thereby deciding the cases in question - and those cases have HUGE ramifications.

    And let's not forget the very basics: they solely get to chose (or not) the cases they pick-up! They have a lot of discretion in what they do, and once they rule, where do you appeal?

    These guys are powerful!
    Only so far as we obey them. They dont have any actual enforcement power. So since they are willing to ignore the law, I guess we all should.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    Fenton loves to lie about this. He ignores out-migration and never offers any numbers. Texass reactionary bullcrap.

    >>People that are moving here are looking for something far more substantial than just another way to cook their brains.

    A lot of them are looking for cheap housing, part of a weak, retrograde state economy.

    >>Thank God there's Texas.

    You could say the same thing about yer septic tank.



    May seem superstitious to you. We prefer facts to bull****.

    >>Its only used as a means to further the agenda.

    We could lie and offer vague, unsubstantiated, ideological rhetoric like reactionaries do, but that's not our style.



    12.6 million private-sector jobs created since 2010 with the public sector shrinking by two million.

    >>the Democrats who were up for election in the 2014 elections avoided ObamaCare like it was the plague. And they still got their clocks cleaned.

    They likely would have done better if they had argued in support of the ACA.

    >>They'll have no one to blame in 2016

    We'll be too busy celebrating.



    ????

    Is there any point to that?

    >>Did you want to try a chart for those not looking for a job too?

    Do you mean so-called "discouraged workers"? Here they are in thousands.

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    Yeah, it put your chart in its proper perspective. Even Chicago's Black Unemployment was up in 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Fair enough perhaps in this instance - but if you look at their history, they've pulled-off some pretty amazing stuff.

    Just take a look at some of the legal acrobatics involving the Commerce Clause through the years!
    How they interpreted the commerce clause was wrong as well. you really have to jump through burning hoops of fire
    to get to where they got to. which means if you have to do that much acrobatics to justify your position then your position is probably wrong.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Look on the bright side, ER visits are UP after Obamacare too! Glad we straightened all that out and gave people who couldn't afford insurance, a premium they still cannot afford or if they could afford the premium, gave them a deductible they cannot pay. PROBLEM SOLVED!!

    Spring 2014 - ER visits skyrocket under ObamaCare | New York Post
    Spring 2015 - Contrary to goals, ER visits rise under Obamacare
    It's funny - you post an article then make claims that are nowhere mentioned in what you cited. What the experts say is the ER increases are because there is a shortage of doctors, poor don't have doctor relationships, doctors offices are only open during working hours which is hard for the poor to make, etc. These are structural problems unrelated to the cost of premiums or out of pocket, and the ACA caps the combined amount to a percentage of income. If that percentage is lowered, we either pay more in taxes or reduce covered expenses.

    BTW, we rent a little strip mall and we've seen several inquiries by people wanting to set up urgent care clinics to handle the newly insured under ACA what is now going to ER. It's anecdotal, but I talked to one guy yesterday and he thinks these things will become more common. Ours is cheap rental, small amount of space, basically one doctor, one nurse, little overhead and the owner does the billing for a number of clinics. Same idea as the Minute Clinics in CVS etc.

    If the ACA hangs around the system will adapt and bring the ER numbers down. Tennessee has been trying like heck to get their Medicaid population out of ERs and into clinics and it's working. It's a matter of effort, as opposed to sitting around whining about a problem but unwilling to do a damn thing to address it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    A solid majority on the Supreme Court disagrees with you. Their opinion counts. Yours doesn't. If they claimed the ACA meant that a guy named Ludin has to wipe the ass of every American Citizen at least once in his life, then guess what, that's the law.
    I could careless what they say that was the intent of the bill the FACT they got it WRONG is of no consequence but your appeal to authority is amusing.
    the only way you are right is if you believe the SCOTUS is infallible please prove this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    I work and pay taxes--last year I paid ~$28k between income and payroll tax.
    congrats you get subsidy. that is why it was lower. mine went up and has gone up drastically due to obamacare.
    I don't get subsidies to pay for my healthcare. yet i get to pay for all those subsidies that you enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    They got close to the public-option though - 59 votes in the Senate, and then as the last senator to commit, Senator Lieberman cast the deciding vote to kill-it.

    Seeing as he resides in Hartford (representing CT), I was not greatly surprised (but really teed-off - the ACA badly needed the public-option in lieu of single-payer).
    This is water under the bridge, but one person who was right all along in the ACA negotiations said the 59 was never really solid. Don't know if he was right, but what he understood was as long as there were only 59, Democrats wanted to sign on to the public option for political reasons, but that one or more would have been stripped off if it actually meant that part would pass. As I recall, Bayh was an especially weak vote, and his wife, surprise, made mid 6 figures serving on the BOD of a couple of insurers.... Coincidence I'm sure!

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