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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Nimby. What do you mean questioning, he dissented. Plus told it.....how it is.
    I've seen all the twitter comments from GOPs.
    It's still the same song-and-dance routine with repeal and no specifics with which to replace it .
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Thank God there's Texas.
    ...in the rear view mirror!

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Private Insurance market gains: 2.4 million

    Medicaid Insurance gains: 6.0 million

    71% of all newly insured through 2014 were from Medicaid Expansion. (source)
    But....but....but just like with all those part time jobs being created showing impressive Obama job growth facts like these don't matter to big govt. liberals who promote the nanny state. You see, as long as the taxpayers are penalized and forced to pay for someone else's personal responsibility issue that is a good thing to liberals and keeps them needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    ...in the rear view mirror!
    Good bye and good riddance. Obviously you need that Obama style entitlement state to take care of you. Not going to happen in TX

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    "Health insurance should be affordable & available to all."
    Harruummphh! I don't see ObamaCare doing either. What I do see it doing is increasing the costs to the middle class, shrinking that very middle class they claim to be so worried about.

    Next it'll end up being 'I don't dare go to the doctor even if I am sick, because I can't afford the deductibles and copays. Needed surgeries? Out of the question'.

    The death of the middle class, quite literally.

    Seems some other areas will be having trouble with BO's special package. At the same time as people will.




    Meanwhile, National Association of Public Hospitals and Health Systems (NAPH) President and CEO Bruce Siegel expressed concern over the ruling's "potential to limit Medicaid expansion, which could strand millions of our most disadvantaged people without access to basic health care coverage." According to Siegel, the ruling, "at first read," appears to "give the states the ability not to do the expansion."

    Similarly, many hospital executives said they still are analyzing the court's ruling on the expansion, the Journal reports. News outlets on Thursday reported a surge in hospital stock prices following the Supreme Court's announcement. By closing bell, HCA stocks were up by 10.8%, Tenet Healthcare stocks were up by 5.5%, and Community Health Systems stocks were up by 8% (Weaver, Journal, 6/28; AHA release, 6/28; NAPH release, 6/28; Kamp, "Marketbeat," Journal, 6/28; Mathews, Journal, 6/29; Kutscher, Modern Healthcare, 6/28 [subscription required]; Barr, Modern Healthcare, 6/28 [subscription required]).

    Drugmakers: According to the Wall Street Journal, the decision to uphold ACA means drugmakers—which generally supported ACA's passage—will face tens of billions of dollars in fees and prices when the insurance expansion takes effect in 2014. Scott M. Melville—president and CEO Consumer Healthcare Products Association (CHPA), which represents over-the-counter drug manufacturers and distributors—in a statement following the ruling reiterated his organization's opposition to an ACA provision removing over-the-counter medicines from the flexible spending arrangements" (Rockoff, Journal, 6/28; CHPA release, 6/28). •Medical devicemakers: Mark Leahey—president and CEO of the Medical Device Manufacturers Association (MDMA)—in a statement said the decision “adds new urgency to repealing" a controversial 2.3% excise tax on devicemakers. Although he noted that MDMA members had not experienced any “windfall” from the reform law, he said, "this misguided policy has already led to job losses and cuts to research and development" (MDMA release, 6/28).....snip~

    https://www.advisory.com/Daily-Brief...o-ACA-decision

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Then you don't need Obamacare but if you really want me to take care of you send me your SS number so I can deduct you as an exemption?
    Hear that...?...that's the sound of your tax money paying for my healthcare. Thanks, see you next month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    ...in the rear view mirror!
    Yep, Texas isn't for everyone.

    If you don't have a good work ethic, or have no idea what a work ethic is then your'e probably better off in California or Colorado or Illinois.

    If being dependant on someone other than yourself is something you aspire to, then you'll probably hate it here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Yep, Texas isn't for everyone.

    If you don't have a good work ethic, or have no idea what a work ethic is then your'e probably better off in California or Colorado or Illinois.

    If being dependant on someone other than yourself is something you aspire to, then you'll probably hate it here.
    Born here over 60 years ago. I don't like what the right-wing conserva-nuts have turned it into. Bye-bye!

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    That is issue avoidance. It is not the job of the Supreme Court to change legislation based on their own political view of the Act in question, nor are they to poll the public, nor are they to ask me or you or anyone else. They are to interpret in concert with the Constitution, not change up the wording of the legislation at their discretion.

    It is the same basic problem, the courts today agreed with an argument made by the government that is not supported by the language of the actual ACA text. That is clear cut judicial activism.
    OK, if six SC Justices, experts in Constitutional law, disagree with your interpretation, then it's possible they understand the "interpret in concert with the Constitution" better than you do. Not sure what else to say.

    We are talking about a 800+ page legislative effort here and it is bold of you to suggest tax credits and subsidies was the biggest provision of the bill.
    I said "one of the biggest" and no one would argue that the credit/subsidy mechanism that makes insurance affordable to the poor and is costing $trillions over time is a minor provision. You're splitting hairs for some reason.

    Moreover, the real impact here is passing a legislative effort so large in scope that it has inherent mistakes. That is on Congress to repair, not the Supreme Court to change up to satisfy a government request to ignore the original text.
    If it was a drafting error, it's clear the majority made the correct decision.

    That is the merit of Scalia's argument. "The Court holds that when the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act says “Exchange established by the State” it means “Exchange established by the State or the Federal Government. That is of course quite absurd, and the Court’s 21 pages of explanation make it no less so." ACA had language in it to deal with States that did not set up an exchange, so you would think it would have been natural for ACA to account for that in dealing with Tax Credits and Subsidies. But some 7 times in the document it explicitly says "Exchange established by the State."
    It's not the "merit of Scalia's argument." The idea that the provision was intended to be written in such a way that NO ONE understood the practical impact of not setting up an exchange is laughable, absurd, ridiculous.

    No matter if it was legislative mistake or an afterthought argument to account for something not going to plan, the remedy is the same. On the merit of the case the government should have lost, forcing Congress to handle the mistake. But, the courts decided to go along with an argument that specifically goes against the wording of ACA. You cannot avoid that.
    Again, unless you want to cite some law here, mistake ==> majority made the correct decision.

    You would have a point (perhaps) if we were talking about once sentence in the document, some false explanation for ACA, exchanges and the States. But ACA clearly did account for States that could not or would not establish an exchange, and then they failed to account for that in the 7 places in the document that says nothing about tax credits and subsidies set up by the Secretary of Health and Human Services.

    No matter what was said on the floor of Congress, no matter what Obama said at the mic ACA legislation had a mistake. It is on Congress to remedy, not the courts to do so in their place.
    We aren't making progress. 6 justices disagree with you, and the law stands. That decision was sound. The dissent's interpretation was arguably also legally sound. The SC job is making a decision when the law isn't clear and there are competing interpretations, and they made it - that's how the system works. Bottom line is simple decisions with a clear right/wrong answer don't get to the SC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Hear that...?...that's the sound of your tax money paying for my healthcare. Thanks, see you next month.
    Yes, it is that entitlement that you and other liberals are proud of. Doesn't matter to you as long as someone else pays for it. Congratulations on being so successful. You surely made your parents proud.

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