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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yep, you better pray for Hilary. Except liberals aren't Christian, so do whatever you do in place of prayer....wish upon a star maybe.

    Hillary is the only chance obamacare has.

    And you and o both know this is never happening, it'll be Marco Rubip or 8 more years of Bush
    What is never happening is the repeal of the ACA and can only I hope the GOP candidate will be in favor of repeal. That will guarantee a Democratic win across the board. The idea that you believe voters will elect another Bush is quite laughable too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    if your'e going to post pictures of people that have lost you need to post a picture of the American Middle class.

    And the Millions of people that have been introduced to chronic unemployment and dependance.

    If I remember correctly the Democrats who were up for election in the 2014 elections avoided ObamaCare like it was the plague.

    And they still got their clocks cleaned.

    What this decision did was let the GOP Congress off the hook and put the disaster that is ObamaCare right back in the laps of the Democrats

    They'll have no one to blame in 2016
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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    What is never happening is the repeal of the ACA and can only I hope the GOP candidate will be in favor of repeal. That will guarantee a Democratic win across the board. The idea that you believe voters will elect another Bush is quite laughable too.
    Why would the GOP want to repeal something that responsible for the job losses of so many Democrat Politicians ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Instead of moderate rate increases for one more year, the big rate increases have begun.
    You people say that every year. It never happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The newly ensured numbers can be attributed almost entirely to the expansion of Medicaid
    No evidence offered to back that up.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You stuck your nose into a conversation I was having with Pete
    Thanks for that. Another hearty laugh for me.

    >>who claimed that many many people would die if the subsidies were removed and that's why the Supreme Court upheld it.

    No, he did NOT say "many many."

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Bringing down Obamacare would be especially messy as it would be the cause of many deaths of many people who depend upon Obamacare.
    >>I called that claim nonsense.

    Yes, you did.

    >>I haven't changed any argument.

    You changed from "many" to "many many."

    >>Perhaps you'd like to comprehend what you're talking about or mind your own business.

    I choose the former.

    >>I proved your point wrong and now you whine about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya JT. Didn't take long.
    Kasich, Snyder, Sandoval, Martinez to name a few who took ME are no doubt relieved and happy.

    I see Scalia is now calling it SCOTUScare .
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'd indicate to you that in my view, looking at this realistically, the next major move to alter or replace the ACA will be a single payer system similar to those in every other G20 nation. Reform will not go backwards. The insurance companies won't stand for it and there will never, in the highly divided US political system,be sufficient votes to simply rescind it.

    Your only chance was to have an honest Chief Justice with the integrity to do his job as he swore under oath - you lost that chance when he wavered and caved to vanity and ego, not wanting to go down in history as the Chief Justice who, rightly, overturned the unconstitutional ACA.
    I won't delve into your closing statement, but I'm in FULL agreement with your opening paragraph.

    You make a very practical argument. That being said, I don't see single-payer coming quickly or (definitely not) easily. Mrs. Clinton is a strong universal healthcare proponent, so there may be possibilities if she were to get into office, but I'm not sure if her allegiance to big money will allow it. A public-option would be a further push in the direction of single-payer, and might be more doable. In fact, a public-option may be the initial construct leading to expansion to full single-payer (I would just expand MediCare by lowering the age over time - no idea if that's politically feasible; I doubt it, and the ACA seems to be the national umbrella system now).
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    No need to wonder. Reactionaries don't rely on facts. The liberal/progressive machine exposes their lies.



    The claim is that millions would lose health insurance if the ACA subsidies were eliminated. I'm not much interested in counting corpses. And I see you've now changed to "many many." Should I assume you'd be content with just "many"?



    I don't know what yer talking about. I'm sure you don't either.



    You check it out.

    Attachment 67186221

    The only time it's been lower in the past forty years is after the Clinton economy got rolling and in the Bush43 housing bubble.


    I did......what happened?


    Missouri and Illinois had among the highest rates of black unemployment in 2014, according to a new study by the Economic Policy Institute.

    Missouri's rise of 3.2 percentage points in black unemployment from 2013 to 2014 year was the second highest among the states, according to the study by EPI economist Valerie Wilson, which was released Thursday. Black unemployment fell in most states in 2014, according to the study, but spiked up in Wisconsin and Missouri.

    Black unemployment averaged 11.4 percent nationally last year, but was 14.7 percent in Illinois and 14.4 percent in Missouri, according to the EPI, a liberal nonprofit think tank that researches economic trends and policies and their impact on labor.

    “The unemployment rate for black communities is at a crisis level, even as the economy gets closer and closer to a full recovery,” Wilson said. Wilson's analysis said that Wisconsin (19.9 percent), Nevada, (16.1), Michigan (15.8), the District of Columbia (15.7), and Iowa (15.6) last year had higher black unemployment rates than Illinois and Missouri.....snip~

    Black unemployment in Missouri, Illinois, among highest : News



    Did you want to try a chart for those not looking for a job too?

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL. Actually, the Progressive Machine invents the best facts their money can buy. It depends on the gullible to buy them and spread them. As can be seen.
    Indeed. Does the name Gruber and 'Stupid American voter' ring any bell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Exactly. So now what does the right wing do about this law they hate? At what point do you simply fold your tent and realize you have lost?
    Probably hope to win the presidency and both houses, but even that won't result in an ending ACA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Maybe the Cons will finally stop trying to rely on legislation from the bench. Perhaps they will get smart and actually work WITH the PPACA (fix the legislation, where appropriate and expand state exchanges), because they are out of options in working against it.
    Screw that.

    We were busy buying health insurance industry and pharmaceutical stocks.

    While you guys were celebrating your victory - we were cashing in on your mistakes.

    Health Care Stocks Soar After Obamacare Victory In Supreme Court
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