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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Show us then.

    And please don't use things like lowering premiums for specific groups, or subsidizing premiums. Show us where people said that premiums (not growth) would be lower overall with the ACA.

    I think we will see you are wrong.
    Your lack of comprehension is not a failure of the program.
    mmi just posted one of the examples for me:

    "I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year." June 23, 2007

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR]Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies

    Story just now breaking. More info to come soon. Millions of Americans get to keep their healthcare. A huge win for the Obama admin.
    Excellent!

    Next stop, prez Sanders pushes it into single payer land where it should be.

    Bernie Sanders Responds to SCOTUS-Care Ruling - Pushes Single-Payer System - The Gateway Pundit
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So, no one ever said the program would lower premium rates according to you, right?



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    That was Obamas campaign plan....not the ACA.

    Try to keep up.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    In the handful of states where data is available (Connecticut, Maryland, Michigan, Oregon, Virginia, Vermont, Washington state and Washington, D.C.), Pearson says the majority of people buying health coverage on exchanges won't face serious sticker shock.

    "We have seen that about 6 percent average rate increases are expected for 2016," Pearson says.

    As Avalere looks at the less expensive plans, she says, "We're seeing anywhere from a 5 percent increase for the lowest-cost plan available, to a 1 percent increase for the second-lowest-cost plan available. So we're really looking at very modest increases — very consistent with what we saw from 2014 to 2015." — "Health Insurance Premiums Will Go Up In 2016, But By How Much?" NPR, June 12, 2015



    I'll defer to yer judgement on that. I don't have any personal experience as a liar.

    >>Choose the highest period of increase under another president's time and then you're able to state, see, I'm not half as bad as him!

    What happened? Did you suffer a serious concussion?
    Instead of moderate rate increases for one more year, the big rate increases have begun. They are particularly large among the health insurers with the most enrollment—the carriers with the most data.

    Why are rates all over the place? There are a number of reasons.

    The number of people signing up for Obamacare has varied considerably by state and is far below the level of penetration the industry typically needs to create a sustainable risk pool.

    State sign-ups have varied with Vermont signing up 75% of the exchange eligible and Iowa only signing up 20%––insurers typically want to see 75% sign-up. Will the third open enrollment next year turn things around? This year’s results were not encouraging with the states having the best first year enrollment stalling out in 2015––California, Washington and New York.....snip~

    Why Are The 2016 Obamacare Rate Increases So Large?

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    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Absolutely. This was political all the way. If the scouts shot this down repubsall over there'd states would have their seats threatened in the next election as folks wondered where their insurance went.
    Only 18 months of obamacare to go!

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Prior to the ACA, there were reportedly about 45 million Americans without any health insurance. Following the inception of the ACA, as reported last September, that number had dropped to about 41 million.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/16/us...hows.html?_r=0

    So, let's see. Even if we were to grant that all of the just under 4 million who are now insured are recipients of federal subsidies in states that don't provide an exchange - which is false since the majority of those 4 million are actually eligible now for Medicaid - you would have the difference between 41 million and 4 million. So your claim is that upwards of 50,000 of this 4 million are going to die because they lose the federal subsidies. Using your logic, about 500,000 are going to die with the federal subsidies because they still don't have insurance.

    So, once again, the claim that removal of the federal subsidies would kill many many people is just utter nonsense.
    The newly ensured numbers can be attributed almost entirely to the expansion of Medicaid which could have been done without touching my health insurance.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I don't know that's true, but I've read it reported by many liberals who followed the debate and were keyed into leadership. But it doesn't matter - there was zero, none, zilch chance there were 60 votes in the Senate for single payer. There probably weren't 50 legitimate votes if 50 would have done the job.

    Same thing basically with a public option - that didn't have 60 votes. Liberals whined that Obama gave that away, but there were enough democrats loyal to the big insurers that 60 for that was never a realistic option according to those who actually counted the votes.
    They got close to the public-option though - 59 votes in the Senate, and then as the last senator to commit, Senator Lieberman cast the deciding vote to kill-it.

    Seeing as he resides in Hartford (representing CT), I was not greatly surprised (but really teed-off - the ACA badly needed the public-option in lieu of single-payer).
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    So what you are trying to say is that states may not be competent enough to run their own exchanges.

    You must be ecstatic about the new SCOTUS ruling then..an opposite ruling would have required states to set up exchanges.
    Moving the goalpost on dishonesty.....doesn't help your point of view.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Only 18 months of obamacare to go!
    It's the law of the land now. The GOP will never overturn it. It'll be as toxic as going after social security.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    It's the law of the land now. The GOP will never overturn it. It'll be as toxic as going after social security.
    After only 18 months? Haha dream on buddy, dream on.

    A republican in the White House is the death knell for obamacare...18 months to go!

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