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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Your link shows slower premium growth, in case you don't understand that, it means the premiums are still growing, still rising.

    Just like my ex wife who when told we couldn't afford to buy her more clothing right now just replied, "well then I'll buy them on sale, that way we SAVE money instead of spending it".
    Is there any wonder why the majority of these "fact check" operations are arms of the liberal/progressive machine?
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    You fail to recognize how you change a law. Obamacare was passed within a very narrow time period, before and after which there is not enough support to pass it. If there is not support to make a change to the bill, it is not up to the SC to change it, it says what it says. Most of America, including Congress, does not want Obamacare.

    It is Obvious, for some reason, the court has decided that they will not rule against this law, no matter what the Constitution says, or even what the bill itself says.

    Otherwise, I'm not sure why you think Republicans should abandon their beliefs and become liberals and support Obama. Why don't the Democrats just join the Republicans instead, and get rid of the bill? What's wrong with them? Why won't they work with Republicans? They seem to be very hostile to Republicans on this law.
    People don't want Obamacare. They just want what's in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Your link shows slower premium growth, in case you don't understand that, it means the premiums are still growing, still rising.

    Just like my ex wife who when told we couldn't afford to buy her more clothing right now just replied, "well then I'll buy them on sale, that way we SAVE money instead of spending it".
    Actually, I do understand that quite well.

    What I also understand is that no one ever said the ACA will lower overall premiums or health care costs.

    The concept of 'bending the cost curve' was apparently too complicated for a lot of ACA opponents to understand.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post


    Still increasing, apparently YOU don't understand that.

    Look, it's an easy lie to engineer. Choose the highest period of increase under another president's time and then you're able to state, see, I'm not half as bad as him!
    Math is a tricky concept for some.

    These are the people that claim a Government could and should borrow, print and spend their way into prosperity.

    Of-course when that strategy crashes and burns, they blame the Banks, Creditors, Corporations and Bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Is there any wonder why the majority of these "fact check" operations are arms of the liberal/progressive machine?
    Why do I think your definition of 'progressive machine' is anything you don't agree with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Amen brother! That's really the one thing that I never did get about the ACA opposition. The ACA removes a HUGE burden and obstacle to getting out from under some corporate yoke and starting your own business. I just couldn't understand why 'free market' types almost never mentioned it as a potential upside for the small business person. I at least expected it as, "sure, this is potentially a great deal for entrepreneurs, but...not worth the cost" or whatever. but I never saw the first part...
    No, it doesn't. The burden of paying for insurance still exists when starting your own business, in fact, it's more expensive now. Before Obamacare new business owners had a great field of group plans to choose from, including some very low cost plans that aren't allowed under Obamacare. Sure they weren't ideal, but they were affordable for the new business owner and beat not having any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Well, it's true.

    Slower Premium Growth Under Obama

    I think we can all see the side that lacks integrity here.

    Yeah, and the LeftWad can never get it back.....ever.




    California (lack of affordability, 'tepid' enrollment): "After using most of $1 billion in federal start-up money, California's Obamacare exchange is preparing to go on a diet. That financial reality is reflected in Covered California's proposed budget, released Wednesday, as well as a reduced forecast calling for 2016 enrollment of fewer than 1.5 million people. The recalibration comes after tepid enrollment growth for California during the second year of the Affordable Care Act. The state ended open enrollment in February with 1.4 million people signed up, far short of its goal of 1.7 million. A number of factors contributed to the shortfall, but health policy experts said that some uninsured folks still find health insurance unaffordable despite the health law's premium subsidies."

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    why can't the conservative judges just vote in a sheep-like block like the liberal judges do on EVERY MAJOR DECISION? Why can't they sell out to their party's own political needs and ignore the constitution?

    I will say this. If a republican wins the white house it will be because Obamacare is still an issue they can take out and beat the crap out of Hillary with(in a debate). this vote won't make it any more popular than it was this morning. keeping the issue alive helps the GOP in the race.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I think this is what the liberals / progressives call a successful program. Ticks all the right boxes:

    • Accomplishes nothing it claims to do, nothing it was sold to the electorate as
    • Increase costs on those that work
    • Gives away stuff to those who don't
    • Puts government more in control of it, determining winners and losers
    • Redistributes wealth from those who work for it to those that don't
    • Guts the middle class




    Yep. Pretty much.

    On the the "Accomplishes nothing it claims to do, nothing it was sold to the electorate as", you can count Dodd-Frank in that as well, 'cause it was sold on ending 'Too big to fail' and yet, it's cause little else beyond hastening bank mergers into too big to fail.

    Yeah, a real 'win' there for the hard working electorate.


    Add: Makes "enemies" look bad.

    They been doing it here for 80 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Actually, I do understand that quite well.

    What I also understand is that no one ever said the ACA will lower overall premiums or health care costs.

    The concept of 'bending the cost curve' was apparently too complicated for a lot of ACA opponents to understand.
    That bolded part is not compatible with the truth.

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