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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    Unsubstantiated. More Fentonian bull****, I expect.



    Same thing. Just story-telling. Zero evidence.



    Sounds good. Maybe we can get a beer hall putsch going.



    One of yer more convincing arguments.



    Hey, it goes back to 2008. When do you think "unemployment started rising"?



    After six years of conflict and divisiveness based on irresponsible, right-wing temper tantrums, …

    >>you now have, according to that, slightly less than 45 million people without coverage.

    According to what?

    New federal data released Tuesday reveal that 36 million people in the United States were uninsured in 2014. That number marks a significant drop from the 48.6 million Americans without insurance in 2010, the year the Affordable Care Act was signed into law.

    The new data from the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) are based on interviews with 111,682 people. The findings show that the number of uninsured Americans of all ages dropped to 36 million in 2014 from 44.8 million in 2013. "That's pretty sharp," says study author Robin A. Cohen, a statistician at the NCHS.

    "This is another set of data tracking what I think has become a pretty broad consensus that the Affordable Care Act is having a significant impact on reducing uninsurance," says Sabrina Corlette, a senior research fellow and project director at the Center for Health Insurance Reforms at Georgetown University (who was not involved with the research.) — "The Number of Uninsured Americans Continues to Drop," Time, June 23, 2015


    Here's a report on another survey: "America's Uninsured Rate Is Down To 10% - And Falling," Forbes, June 16, 2015
    Hey, at least ObamaCare is a " free market " solution to health......LOL !!

    Its such a fantastic bit of legislation that Democrats avoided it like the plague in 2014... and then they lost.

    Keep posting your propaganda bull ****, and the American voter will keep voting out the low lifes that voted for this abomination.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I just heard a little bit of Obama speaking. One thing he mentioned was keeping premiums down. I just wonder how anyone on the left swallows that one, and still claims to have integrity. He will keep lying as long as they keep supporting it.
    Well, it's true.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slo...h-under-obama/

    I think we can all see the side that lacks integrity here.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post


    You see, that is the reason why I don't want to see Republicans touch Obamacare. This meme about "republican approach" has been used for years to try to avoid blame for the mess Democrats caused throught their unilateral actions.

    If Republicans were to take up any Obamacare issues, they would then own the entire effort.

    It's best to let the spotlight shine on the best effort of the Democrats who unilaterally own Obamacare.
    I may not agree with you politically, but I believe you are definitely right that it was fortuitous for their party, that the GOP Congress was not forced to take-up reforming healthcare leading into an election year.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Well, it's true.

    Slower Premium Growth Under Obama

    I think we can all see the side that lacks integrity here.
    Your link shows slower premium growth, in case you don't understand that, it means the premiums are still growing, still rising.

    Just like my ex wife who when told we couldn't afford to buy her more clothing right now just replied, "well then I'll buy them on sale, that way we SAVE money instead of spending it".

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Being insured and being able to afford treatment are two separate things. That is why disapproval remains high.

    If people can't use it or don't like it it doesn't matter how free it is.
    There is no support for any of that. If you've got polling internals that illustrate your point, please cite it.

    And healthcare for poor people will always be tough to afford. If you have a better plan, that increases coverage and is cheaper for those who need subsidies or are on the edge, then propose it. If you make the whole picture (premiums plus copays) cheaper, it just increases the cost to taxpayers, and you guys would complain about that. If we make it cheaper for taxpayers, it means fewer get coverage and/or their premiums and copays go up, and you whine about that. That's the problem with actually governing - it's easy for people to sit on the sidelines and throw bricks at people actually making these tough trade-offs, and then pretend that with your "to be named later" plan it will be sooo much better, better insurance, everyone covered, cheaper, we all get ponies! without any need to come up with a better alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Your link shows slower premium growth, in case you don't understand that, it means the premiums are still growing, still rising.
    Increasing at a slower rate. Apparently you don't understand that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Well, it's true.

    Slower Premium Growth Under Obama

    I think we can all see the side that lacks integrity here.
    Yea, the " side " that said we could keep our Dr's and Insurance.

    The side that said premiums would fall by 2500 dollars.

    The side that said we have to pass it to find out whats in it.

    The side that said the law was written so that States who refused to provide exchanges could be attacked Politically.

    The side that said the law would provide " affordable " insurance.

    The side that tried to scam the American people into thinking tax increases would be obsorbed by the Insurance companiesm

    The side that said it was a " free market " solution.

    The side that passed the law is the side that cannot even bring it up as a accomplishment in election cycles for fear of losing their jobs. Thats the side that lacks credibility.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    Increasing at a slower rate. Apparently you don't understand that.


    Still increasing, apparently YOU don't understand that.

    Look, it's an easy lie to engineer. Choose the highest period of increase under another president's time and then you're able to state, see, I'm not half as bad as him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I'm with you, justabubba -

    An employment based healthcare system is asinine!

    As I commented before: "In severe recession (like 2009), the rest of the civilized world suffers an economic crisis - but we suffer an economic crisis AND a healthcare crisis"!

    Why?

    And in other terms: Why would we want to stifle entrepreneurship by having employees unable to risk new ventures due to putting their families in jeopardy by lacking healthcare?

    It's nonsense.
    Amen brother! That's really the one thing that I never did get about the ACA opposition. The ACA removes a HUGE burden and obstacle to getting out from under some corporate yoke and starting your own business. I just couldn't understand why 'free market' types almost never mentioned it as a potential upside for the small business person. I at least expected it as, "sure, this is potentially a great deal for entrepreneurs, but...not worth the cost" or whatever. but I never saw the first part...

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    The language that you are referencing is four words out of a 900 page bill. Such minor mistakes in the language are extremely common and, in any other ordinary political climate, such a mistake would have been fixed as a rather routine practice. But given the Republican's antithesis to any remote resemblance of an attempt to work with the President on this issue (or nearly any other issue before the Trade Agreement), such a fix had to wait until it got all the way to the Supreme Court.
    You fail to recognize how you change a law. Obamacare was passed within a very narrow time period, before and after which there is not enough support to pass it. If there is not support to make a change to the bill, it is not up to the SC to change it, it says what it says. Most of America, including Congress, does not want Obamacare.

    It is Obvious, for some reason, the court has decided that they will not rule against this law, no matter what the Constitution says, or even what the bill itself says.

    Otherwise, I'm not sure why you think Republicans should abandon their beliefs and become liberals and support Obama. Why don't the Democrats just join the Republicans instead, and get rid of the bill? What's wrong with them? Why won't they work with Republicans? They seem to be very hostile to Republicans on this law.
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