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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    He wanted to remain consistent....................................With his lying.

    Which is why more now, will be without insurance.
    Some time ago there was a congressional budget office report that stated that at the end of this decade, 2019, the US will still have 50 million people uninsured, mostly middle class.

    You know, that's the population of Canada, and New Zealand combined with enough left over to import California.

    Good job America! YOu are now the worst health care nation in the industrialized world!
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Yea, well I worked my 40 years so you're welcome.
    That's okay around here, there are like 12 to your every one.....that didn't. Did you want to stick up for them? Tell more to not to work....don't worry can still get BO care.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Congratulations!

    After two years of conflict and divisiveness based on the lie of the century, you now have, according to that, slightly less than 45 million people without coverage.

    30% more than the population of Canada, all of whom have coverage.

    I recall when the debate started, Obama claiming there were 35 million uninsured. What happened?
    I think this is what the liberals / progressives call a successful program. Ticks all the right boxes:

    • Accomplishes nothing it claims to do, nothing it was sold to the electorate as
    • Increase costs on those that work
    • Gives away stuff to those who don't
    • Puts government more in control of it, determining winners and losers
    • Redistributes wealth from those who work for it to those that don't
    • Guts the middle class


    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    He wanted to remain consistent....................................With his lying.

    Which is why more now, will be without insurance.
    Yep. Pretty much.

    On the the "Accomplishes nothing it claims to do, nothing it was sold to the electorate as", you can count Dodd-Frank in that as well, 'cause it was sold on ending 'Too big to fail' and yet, it's cause little else beyond hastening bank mergers into too big to fail.

    Yeah, a real 'win' there for the hard working electorate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I have to agree. The mess Democrats made covers lots of ground. However, the are many things within the 83% of the economy Democrats ignored that are more important than Obamacare.

    Broadening the tax base by improving the economics of the economy is vital. I'm pushing for that effort, rather than getting Democrats off the hook for their Obamacare mess.
    Instead Obama and cronies are reducing the tax base.

    Now there's genius
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Some time ago there was a congressional budget office report that stated that at the end of this decade, 2019, the US will still have 50 million people uninsured, mostly middle class.

    You know, that's the population of Canada, and New Zealand combined with enough left over to import California.

    Good job America! YOu are now the worst health care nation in the industrialized world!
    correction: we continue to have the worst health care in the industrialized world

    but it is better now than before Obamacare

    it was the well intended but ill advised effort to compromise with a republican approach that cost us single-payer healthcare
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Congratulations!

    After two years of conflict and divisiveness based on the lie of the century, you now have, according to that, slightly less than 45 million people without coverage.

    30% more than the population of Canada, all of whom have coverage.

    I recall when the debate started, Obama claiming there were 35 million uninsured. What happened?
    So your complaint is we didn't get Canada style universal socialized medicine. I agree! Although I'm not sure the Canada model is the best single payer option out there, but it's a helluva lot better than what we had or the ACA, that's for sure.

    What's hilarious is the conservatives liking that complaint...

    BTW, I don't have a clue where any of those numbers are coming from. I do know they're not close to right. 45 million, 12% uninsured implies an adult pop of 378 million and our total is about 318, and 23% are under 18. And the ACA reduced the uninsured by about 10 million, when that number had been going up for the decade prior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Jonathan Gruber even explained WHY the Bill was written that way.
    Unsubstantiated. More Fentonian bull****, I expect.

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    The poor can't even afford the premiums with the subsidies and are still using the emergency rooms through Medicaid to seek treatment. Medicaid only pays a fraction of the cost due to healthcare providers. So those who can afford the premiums are paying more for medical services to compensate. The rich can afford the premiums and higher healthcare costs. The middle class not so much.
    Same thing. Just story-telling. Zero evidence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Roberts is a hack that should be removed a this point. him and the rest of them should be arrested and removed from the bench
    Sounds good. Maybe we can get a beer hall putsch going.

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Logic fail.
    One of yer more convincing arguments.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Hey, I can't help but notice your graph doesn't go back to before unemployment started rising?
    Hey, it goes back to 2008. When do you think "unemployment started rising"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    After two years of conflict and divisiveness based on the lie of the century
    After six years of conflict and divisiveness based on irresponsible, right-wing temper tantrums, …

    >>you now have, according to that, slightly less than 45 million people without coverage.

    According to what?

    New federal data released Tuesday reveal that 36 million people in the United States were uninsured in 2014. That number marks a significant drop from the 48.6 million Americans without insurance in 2010, the year the Affordable Care Act was signed into law.

    The new data from the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) are based on interviews with 111,682 people. The findings show that the number of uninsured Americans of all ages dropped to 36 million in 2014 from 44.8 million in 2013. "That's pretty sharp," says study author Robin A. Cohen, a statistician at the NCHS.

    "This is another set of data tracking what I think has become a pretty broad consensus that the Affordable Care Act is having a significant impact on reducing uninsurance," says Sabrina Corlette, a senior research fellow and project director at the Center for Health Insurance Reforms at Georgetown University (who was not involved with the research.) — "The Number of Uninsured Americans Continues to Drop," Time, June 23, 2015


    Here's a report on another survey: "America's Uninsured Rate Is Down To 10% - And Falling," Forbes, June 16, 2015
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    which is why we should detach healthcare coverage from the workplace
    I'm with you, justabubba -

    An employment based healthcare system is asinine!

    As I commented before: "In severe recession (like 2009), the rest of the civilized world suffers an economic crisis - but we suffer an economic crisis AND a healthcare crisis"!

    Why?

    And in other terms: Why would we want to stifle entrepreneurship by having employees unable to risk new ventures due to putting their families in jeopardy by lacking healthcare?

    It's nonsense.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    correction: we continue to have the worst health care in the industrialized world

    but it is better now than before Obamacare

    it was the well intended but ill advised effort to compromise with a republican approach that cost us single-payer healthcare


    You see, that is the reason why I don't want to see Republicans touch Obamacare. This meme about "republican approach" has been used for years to try to avoid blame for the mess Democrats caused through their unilateral actions.

    If Republicans were to take up any Obamacare issues, they would then own the entire effort.

    It's best to let the spotlight shine on the best effort of the Democrats who unilaterally own Obamacare.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    correction: we continue to have the worst health care in the industrialized world

    but it is better now than before Obamacare

    it was the well intended but ill advised effort to compromise with a republican approach that cost us single-payer healthcare
    Bull****. Discounts Obama's closed door meetings with insurance execs and promising the act would not include single payer well BEFORE any congressional debate.

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