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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    I want a well-functioning market, not a utopia.



    So your alternative would be an approach that "offers the same thing." That sounds like a tacit admission that the ACA is achieving exactly what you'd want a health reform plan to be achieving.

    At this point you're just quibbling.
    There isn't anything the Govt. does that is well functioning, too many politicians buying votes to care about quality. History is my guide not ideology.

    The alternative is to let the states and local governments do what you expect the Federal Govt. to do only on a scale closest to the people. That was the govt. our Founders set up yet here we are today 250 plus years later with an 18.2 trillion dollar govt, 312+ million people, and another group of liberals trying to what the last group of liberals didn't do. I am sure you mean well but a massive Central govt. will never generate what good hearted liberals think.

    At this point you are still regurgitating liberal rhetoric from the past.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

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    The alternative is to let the states and local governments do what you expect the Federal Govt. to do only on a scale closest to the people.
    I wanted the states to do it. Some did, most deferred to the federal government.

    It was a great natural experiment. As it turns out, the federal government has shown itself to be much better at doing this than the states (admittedly the opposite of what I expected). C'est la vie.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    So what you want is a massive central government to force more social engineering

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So what you want is a massive central government to force more social engineering
    (Line # 22, Sean Hannity's random Conservative boilerplate quotes)
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    I wanted the states to do it. Some did, most deferred to the federal government.

    It was a great natural experiment. As it turns out, the federal government has shown itself to be much better at doing this than the states (admittedly the opposite of what I expected). C'est la vie.
    Better? How do you define better? The Federal Govt. has no limit on what it can spend which is what they do better than anyone else because they don't have the constraints that states have since the states have to balance their budgets and cannot print money. Your definition of better seems to be unlimited spending, creating dependence, and never solving a social problem.

    It truly is what it is, the Federal Bureaucrats are more interested in keeping their job by buying votes than doing their job and the intent of the Founders. Logic and common sense tells me that any entity that spends money in the name of compassion that generates over 100 million Americans dependent on it for social programs and an 18.2 trillion dollar debt isn't better but rather a Greece style disaster waiting to happen.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    (Line # 22, Sean Hannity's random Conservative boilerplate quotes)
    You seem to have an obsession with Hannity. I stopped listening and watching Hannity 3 years ago when I lost my wife. I prefer focusing on results and what truly is important, taking care of my remaining family and handling all my personal responsibility issues not expecting you to do it for me. Then there is logic and common sense or you would say a Hannity conservative boilerplate quote as we have a govt. that has over 100 million Americans on taxpayer funded welfare(excluding SS and Medicare) and a national debt exceeding our yearly GDP. Guess that fact escaped you

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Better? How do you define better?
    Primarily in terms of functionality (healthcare.gov works better than what most of the states working on their own created) and customer satisfaction.

    Among the three types of health insurance Marketplaces, enrollment satisfaction among re-enrollees is highest among those who enrolled through the Federally Facilitated Marketplace (739), followed by State-Partnership Marketplaces/Federally Supported State-Based Partnerships (Partnership Marketplaces) (730) and State-Based Marketplaces (713). Among new enrollees, satisfaction is highest among those who enrolled through a Partnership Marketplace (680), followed by the Federally Facilitated Marketplace (669) and State-Based Marketplaces (668). - See more at: 2015 Health Insurance Marketplace Exchange Shopper and Re-Enrollment (HIX) Study | J.D. Power

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    Primarily in terms of functionality (healthcare.gov works better than what most of the states working on their own created) and customer satisfaction.
    Love how you take victory laps over a program that hasn't fully been implemented yet as if to prop up the disaster called Obama. It is easy to spend your way to prosperity but never actually achieving prosperity but that doesn't stop people like you from wanting to spend more. You see, you buy the rhetoric and ignore the reality and expenses because expenses apparently don't matter to you. How much of an insurance policy do you think could be provided by the 250 billion spent yearly on debt service? Write a check and stop thinking with your heart.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Love how you take victory laps over a program that hasn't fully been implemented yet as if to prop up the disaster called Obama. It is easy to spend your way to prosperity but never actually achieving prosperity but that doesn't stop people like you from wanting to spend more. You see, you buy the rhetoric and ignore the reality and expenses because expenses apparently don't matter to you. How much of an insurance policy do you think could be provided by the 250 billion spent yearly on debt service? Write a check and stop thinking with your heart.
    No worse than whining about before anything has happened. So far, so good. That's where we are.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No worse than whining about before anything has happened. So far, so good. That's where we are.
    Except the reality that I have history on my side on how the Federal Govt. runs social programs. I didn't make the claim of savings, I pointed out history.

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