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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you realize that subsidies come out of tax revenue and thus are a reduction in revenue the govt. but subsidies are an expense? So what you have done is reduce healthcare expenses and reduced the amount of revenue to the govt. thus increased the debt?
    Exchange subsidies are new federal spending, true. But the ACA was designed to more than offset that new spending with (1) relative spending reductions (savings) elsewhere, and (2) new revenues.

    As mentioned in post #1041 in this thread, the ACA intended to find about $50 billion in savings in FY15; in reality, it's on track to find more like $110 billion. Meanwhile the new spending that needs to be offset is turning out to be less than expected (see post above).

    The ACA was "sold" as reducing the deficit a certain amount. Turns out it's reducing it a lot more than promised.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    Exchange subsidies are new federal spending, true. But the ACA was designed to more than offset that new spending with (1) relative spending reductions (savings) elsewhere, and (2) new revenues.

    As mentioned in post #1041 in this thread, the ACA intended to find about $50 billion in savings in FY15; in reality, it's on track to find more like $110 billion. Meanwhile the new spending that needs to be offset is turning out to be less than expected (see post above).

    The ACA was "sold" as reducing the deficit a certain amount. Turns out it's reducing it a lot more than promised.
    So where are those cost savings going to come from? I don't see an answer to the question as to how taking subsidies lowers the deficits? Let me know how it turns out but stop claiming that predictions are reality. It has reduced PROJECTIONS and no one pays debt service on PROJECTIONS

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

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    So where are those cost savings going to come from?
    Medicare.




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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    What the hell does ACA have to do with Medicare? Medicare is a program that everyone contributes to and becomes available when they turn 65. This red herring of yours is typical of liberalism, diversion from reality. The uninsured have nothing to do with Medicare

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What the hell does ACA have to do with Medicare? Medicare is a program that everyone contributes to and becomes available when they turn 65. This red herring of yours is typical of liberalism, diversion from reality. The uninsured have nothing to do with Medicare
    LOL.

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    Doesn't understand the relationship between Obamacare and the ACA.
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

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    They aren't rants, they are reality of people who think with their heart and not their brain. We don't need ACA to solve the healthcare problem but rather a bipartisan approach that actually solves the problem vs. simply getting people covered. I prefer tax cuts and welfare payments to allow people to buy their own insurance and catastrophic coverage provided to those who truly cannot afford insurance not exchanges, not forced insurance, and certainly not Federal Govt. involvement. This remains a state and local issue tat can be solved without ACA
    No rants. Sorry. And you haven't been specific enough. How?

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    LOL.

    Hates Obamacare.

    Doesn't understand the relationship between Obamacare and the ACA.

    You don't seem to get it at all. Yes, I do hate Obamacare(ACA) because it violates every principle of personal responsibility, states' rights, and neighbor helping neighbor but ACA should have nothing to do with Medicare as that program is for retirees. It does seem to me that you have no idea what Medicare is

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What the hell does ACA have to do with Medicare?
    See virtually every bullet of "policies [that] have contributed to the Medicare spending growth slowdown" directly above your question? Those are all from Title III of the ACA ("Improving the Quality and Efficiency of Health Care"). Except the bullet about better fraud enforcement, that's Title VI of the ACA ("Transparency and Program Integrity").

    What does the ACA have to do with Medicare? It's one of the largest Medicare reforms ever passed.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You don't seem to get it at all. Yes, I do hate Obamacare(ACA) because it violates every principle of personal responsibility, states' rights, and neighbor helping neighbor but ACA should have nothing to do with Medicare as that program is for retirees. It does seem to me that you have no idea what Medicare is
    Yeah. Medicare is a purer form of socialism than the capitalist ACA!

    Other than that, let's all just note that your lack of understanding about the ACA and its deep involvement with Medicare shows that you have virtually no understanding about anything anyone has been discussing in this long,long thread.

    It just reminds me that opposition to the ACA correlates strongly with ignorance about the ACA.
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    See virtually every bullet of "policies [that] have contributed to the Medicare spending growth slowdown" directly above your question? Those are all from Title III of the ACA ("Improving the Quality and Efficiency of Health Care"). Except the bullet about better fraud enforcement, that's Title VI of the ACA ("Transparency and Program Integrity").

    What does the ACA have to do with Medicare? It's one of the largest Medicare reforms ever passed.
    Medicare has nothing whatsoever to do with ACA, it was established as a retirement insurance program, ACA was created to insure the uninsured. Medicare is funded by payroll taxes, ACA is funded by all kinds of other taxes including Federal Income Taxes. You don't need ACA to reform Medicare, just discipline and taking Medicare off budget. You really have been indoctrinated by big govt. liberals into believing anything they tell you

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