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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Oh.

    So the impressive amount of improvement shown already (bent cost curves, plummeting uninsured rate, higher quality of care, stabilized premium costs etc etc) is only going to get BETTER?!?

    Thanks, Obama!

    (FYI- here, in the real world, we know the law is virtually fully implemented, with the employer mandate which affects only a small number of businesses still not implemented.)
    Unfortunately what you are doing is taking CBO estimates as gospel ignoring the accuracy of the CBO and the reality that their assumptions are made based upon information given them by Congress. Until there are real actual savings all you do is give us opinions of someone else. There isn't any Federally created Social program that cost what it was supposed to cost and do what it was supposed to do.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How do you run numbers on a program that hasn't been fully implemented? All you have seen are the tax increases not many of the costs as the enrollment hasn't been what was expected and much of the numbers are due to the expansion of Medicaid and insuring people already eligible for Medicaid but didn't sign up. What you and others show is that you buy the rhetoric, ignore history, and the costs of Govt. entitlement programs

    Care to back up this rhetoric with actual sources and facts that aren't from fox news, or a libertarian think tank?
    Knee-jerk anti-government sentiment is not a viable political philosophy.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Care to back up this rhetoric with actual sources and facts that aren't from fox news, or a libertarian think tank?
    I gave you the quote from the Medicare Center on healthcare costs per capita but it is you and supporters of ACA who claim that the cost curve has been bent downward. It does seem that you have the same disease as most Clinton supporters who claim he had a surplus as those were PROJECTIONS not reality just like the CBO Projections NOW!! CBO is not projecting lower healthcare costs due to assumptions they are receiving. If the assumptions are wrong what do you think that does to the projections?

    The per capita cost of health care expenditures in 2012 was $8,915, according to the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services. It was $8,170 in 2009, $8,411 in 2010 and $8,658 in 2011. In other words, it’s rising year after year.
    http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statisti...ads/tables.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I gave you the quote from the Medicare Center on healthcare costs per capita but it is you and supporters of ACA who claim that the cost curve has been bent downward. It does seem that you have the same disease as most Clinton supporters who claim he had a surplus as those were PROJECTIONS not reality just like the CBO Projections NOW!! CBO is not projecting lower healthcare costs due to assumptions they are receiving. If the assumptions are wrong what do you think that does to the projections?






    http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statisti...ads/tables.pdf
    yes, yes, it is. What is the rate at which is i rising from 2001 to 2009? How does that compare to 20010 to 2014?
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    yes, yes, it is. What is the rate at which is i rising from 2001 to 2009? How does that compare to 20010 to 2014?
    So anything that increases in cost but at a slower rate is good in the liberal world? How does that eliminate the deficit ultimately reducing the debt and how do you know the CBO PROJECTIONS are going to be accurate?

    Why do you buy what the Federal Govt. and CBO tell you when their history is so bad and they have already generated an 18.2 trillion dollar debt? What is going to happen when the newly high risk individuals now covered under ACA hit the market with their higher costs healthcare treatments? Do you realize that an increase in Medicaid Patients does not lower healthcare costs but rather shifts some of those costs to the state?

    Please stop buying what the liberal elite tell you but rather research what they tell you and verify the rhetoric with actual results.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    I showed you the skyrocketing costs of healthcare from 1980 ( just over $1,000 per person ) to
    2005 ( over $7,500 per person ) . The U.S. spent $8,402 per person on health care in 2010.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I showed you the skyrocketing costs of healthcare from 1980 ( just over $1,000 per person ) to
    2005 ( over $7,500 per person ) . The U.S. spent $8,402 per person on health care in 2010.
    Yes, and 8900 in 2012. Again why do you believe insuring more people many of whom are high risk and formerly uninsured are going to lower healthcare costs and can you name for me Just one Federal Social program that ever cost what it was projected to cost and actually do something other than create dependence?

    Do you realize that CBO only gives PREDICTIONS based upon the assumptions they are given? If the assumptions are wrong what does that do to the predictions?

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So anything that increases in cost but at a slower rate is good in the liberal world? How does that eliminate the deficit ultimately reducing the debt and how do you know the CBO PROJECTIONS are going to be accurate?

    Why do you buy what the Federal Govt. and CBO tell you when their history is so bad and they have already generated an 18.2 trillion dollar debt? What is going to happen when the newly high risk individuals now covered under ACA hit the market with their higher costs healthcare treatments? Do you realize that an increase in Medicaid Patients does not lower healthcare costs but rather shifts some of those costs to the state?

    Please stop buying what the liberal elite tell you but rather research what they tell you and verify the rhetoric with actual results.

    I think you really should show that your projections are accurate , if you are making claims. But no, that is for other people.
    Knee-jerk anti-government sentiment is not a viable political philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    I think you really should show that your projections are accurate , if you are making claims. But no, that is for other people.
    I point to actual results NOT predictions. CBO has PROJECTED that ACA will cost less but ACA hasn't been fully implemented so there are no official results yet. You do realize that much of ACA was front loaded with tax increases which obviously will lower projected costs but the reality is there haven't been significant reductions because the program is still relatively new. You want badly to believe what you are told but history presents a different picture and is reality.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    If the assumptions are wrong it would be because lawmakers repeal some of the revenue neutral funding.

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