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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not concerned about any rant on liberals or conservatives for that matter. Try to focus on the substance of the issue. No one has argued anything was an emergency. Hell the issue has been worked on and debated for decades. There has been no emergency pushing it through.

    And yes, tax dollars are collected from the populace pays for subsides. But everyone has skin in the game, which was what we were talking about. Now, if you wan to move to tax dollars, sure, I can do that. Tax dollars help us work together to solve huge problems. Medical care is expensive and too often requires more than the individual, or at least most individuals, will ever be able to handle. Finding a collective way to tackle that is not evil. It's smart, proactive, and better than just dealing with the aftermath of a poorly provided for nation ad hoc, paying far more than any other nation.
    You telling me that people receiving a subsidy are more concerned about how the money is spent and the benefits of that spending vs. spending their own money? Wow, you really are naïve and gullible which is why most liberals support ACA. They believe as you do and judge everyone else by their own standards which couldn't be further from the truth. The problem with liberals and people like you is you throw money at the problem in hopes that something sticks. Without identify the costs and solving them you only create greater dependence and do nothing of real benefit for the populace

    Please stop comparing this country to other nations. We have been through this. You have no idea what other nations put into their healthcare costs as well as revenue generated to pay for those costs but buy simple headlines. We have been through this before. Why do you believe that the Federal Govt. with its history is going to do a better job with this entitlement program

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You telling me that people receiving a subsidy are more concerned about how the money is spent and the benefits of that spending vs. spending their own money? Wow, you really are naïve and gullible which is why most liberals support ACA. They believe as you do and judge everyone else by their own standards which couldn't be further from the truth. The problem with liberals and people like you is you throw money at the problem in hopes that something sticks. Without identify the costs and solving them you only create greater dependence and do nothing of real benefit for the populace

    Please stop comparing this country to other nations. We have been through this. You have no idea what other nations put into their healthcare costs as well as revenue generated to pay for those costs but buy simple headlines. We have been through this before. Why do you believe that the Federal Govt. with its history is going to do a better job with this entitlement program
    I'm saying clearly they have skin in the game. Who cares more has not been measured. Making crude generalizations are not all that helpful.

    And again, I'm not arguing for or against liberals or conservatives. Random rants about them are not helpful. And no, I will use whatever comparisons I think make a point

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Funny. The deductible I got is 1000, and I have a max out of payment for the year to be 6K.

    That means, any medical expenses over 6K for the entire year, gets paid for 100%


    Friend of mine had a heart attack last year. His hospital bills were way more than that. Because of that, he did not become bankrupt.
    That's a good example. The deductibles and copays are serious money to some but the total bill would crush them.
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Corrected for accuracy The company paid 80% of the Premiums and the employee was responsible for 20%. Even had part time employees joining the company simply for insurance but the young invincible doesn't think about tomorrow and only cares about today. Why should they be forced to purchase insurance, if they make the wrong choice let them pay the price
    Of the ~80% or so of people buying insurance in the new marketplaces who qualify for a federal tax credit, the average tax credit covers 72% of the premium in 2015 and the consumer is responsible for 28%. Those plans also have cost-sharing at the point of service, of course, like deductibles, etc.

    The average subsidized "Obamacare" shopper has more skin in the game than your employees ever did.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm saying clearly they have skin in the game. Who cares more has not been measured. Making crude generalizations are not all that helpful.

    And again, I'm not arguing for or against liberals or conservatives. Random rants about them are not helpful. And no, I will use whatever comparisons I think make a point
    They aren't rants, they are reality of people who think with their heart and not their brain. We don't need ACA to solve the healthcare problem but rather a bipartisan approach that actually solves the problem vs. simply getting people covered. I prefer tax cuts and welfare payments to allow people to buy their own insurance and catastrophic coverage provided to those who truly cannot afford insurance not exchanges, not forced insurance, and certainly not Federal Govt. involvement. This remains a state and local issue tat can be solved without ACA

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    Of the ~80% or so of people buying insurance in the new marketplaces who qualify for a federal tax credit, the average tax credit covers 72% of the premium in 2015 and the consumer is responsible for 28%. Those plans also have cost-sharing at the point of service, of course, like deductibles, etc.

    The average subsidized "Obamacare" shopper has more skin in the game than your employees ever did.
    Your opinion noted

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    They aren't rants, they are reality of people who think with their heart and not their brain. We don't need ACA to solve the healthcare problem but rather a bipartisan approach that actually solves the problem vs. simply getting people covered. I prefer tax cuts and welfare payments to allow people to buy their own insurance and catastrophic coverage provided to those who truly cannot afford insurance not exchanges, not forced insurance, and certainly not Federal Govt. involvement. This remains a state and local issue tat can be solved without ACA

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Run the numbers, and show that works. demonstrate that's enough.
    How do you run numbers on a program that hasn't been fully implemented? All you have seen are the tax increases not many of the costs as the enrollment hasn't been what was expected and much of the numbers are due to the expansion of Medicaid and insuring people already eligible for Medicaid but didn't sign up. What you and others show is that you buy the rhetoric, ignore history, and the costs of Govt. entitlement programs

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How do you run numbers on a program that hasn't been fully implemented?
    Oh.

    So the impressive amount of improvement shown already (bent cost curves, plummeting uninsured rate, higher quality of care, stabilized premium costs etc etc) is only going to get BETTER?!?

    Thanks, Obama!

    (FYI- here, in the real world, we know the law is virtually fully implemented, with the employer mandate which affects only a small number of businesses still not implemented.)
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    What exact improvement since health care costs were lower in 2009 and 2010 I have posted data that refutes your opinions.

    Why are people like you so enamored with another federal entitlement program paid for by taxpayers

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