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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

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    Yes, compassion is generating positive results from compassionate spending and actually solving a social problem making the problem go away
    Do y0ou think that is cheap? What is the social problem here?

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do y0ou think that is cheap? What is the social problem here?
    Nothing is cheap, but that is the problem with liberals, always throwing money at the problem never with strings attached, strings that don't cost a dime but rather are nothing more than personal responsibility. The social problem here are people like you who want a massive federal entitlement program to solve a healthcare problem that could be corrected by focusing on the real problem which is waste, fraud, abuse, lawsuits, portability, and the uninsurable, not simply insuring people to give them access.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

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    Nothing is cheap, but that is the problem with liberals, always throwing money at the problem never with strings attached, strings that don't cost a dime but rather are nothing more than personal responsibility. The social problem here are people like you who want a massive federal entitlement program to solve a healthcare problem that could be corrected by focusing on the real problem which is waste, fraud, abuse, lawsuits, portability, and the uninsurable, not simply insuring people to give them access.
    It's hard responding to mere stereotypes without substance. We work on waste and fraud all the time. There is no such thing as a program that will have no waste or fraud. It's a continual problem, but one everyone is in fact working on. While there is some issue with lawsuits, laws to hinder them have not had any real effect on cost, see Texas. And ACA address the portibility and the uninsurability issues. So, I'm not really sure what you're trying to argue.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's hard responding to mere stereotypes without substance. We work on waste and fraud all the time. There is no such thing as a program that will have no waste or fraud. It's a continual problem, but one everyone is in fact working on. While there is some issue with lawsuits, laws to hinder them have not had any real effect on cost, see Texas. And ACA address the portibility and the uninsurability issues. So, I'm not really sure what you're trying to argue.
    Waste and fraud are reduced when people have their own "skin in the game" so simply throwing money at the problem because it gains people access is nothing more than a feel good action that never solves a social problem. Until people are held accountable for their actions and take ownership of their own personal responsibility issues all govt. programs are going to do is create more dependence.

    Liberals have been working on social problems for decades, spending trillions to try and create eternal life when the answer lies in simple logic and common sense, allow people to take care of their own personal responsibility issues through tax cuts or welfare payments and not simply creating another entitlement program. The only thing that has come out of all that spending is more liberal arrogance and debt.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Waste and fraud are reduced when people have their own "skin in the game" so simply throwing money at the problem because it gains people access is nothing more than a feel good action that never solves a social problem. Until people are held accountable for their actions and take ownership of their own personal responsibility issues all govt. programs are going to do is create more dependence.

    Liberals have been working on social problems for decades, spending trillions to try and create eternal life when the answer lies in simple logic and common sense, allow people to take care of their own personal responsibility issues through tax cuts or welfare payments and not simply creating another entitlement program. The only thing that has come out of all that spending is more liberal arrogance and debt.
    No, not really. Skin in the game doesn't reduce fraud and abuse. We have this in every walk of life, every business, every commercial engagement, every market place. So you begin with a falsehood.

    And people have skin in the game. They need care, they're sick, hurt, injured, suffering, and they pay something. Skin in the game. What the effort here is trying to do is handle a large problem, too large for all individuals, in a collective manner, as this country has always done.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, not really. Skin in the game doesn't reduce fraud and abuse. We have this in every walk of life, every business, every commercial engagement, every market place. So you begin with a falsehood.

    And people have skin in the game. They need care, they're sick, hurt, injured, suffering, and they pay something. Skin in the game. What the effort here is trying to do is handle a large problem, too large for all individuals, in a collective manner, as this country has always done.
    Yes, it does, since people are going to control their money more than simply having money given to them or benefits given to them. You always point to the truly needy and somehow believe we need a massive entitlement program to take care of them ignoring the millions and millions who are able to take care of their own medical expenses and those eligible for healthcare but choosing not to participate. I employed 1200 people, provided healthcare for all with them paying 80% of the premiums and the employee paid 20%. I didn't pay minimum wage, had an incredible bonus program, and yet 50% chose not to participate. They wanted it totally free. It was their choice, liberals seem to only understand personal choice when it comes to abortion and not other personal responsibility issues.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, it does, since people are going to control their money more than simply having money given to them or benefits given to them. You always point to the truly needy and somehow believe we need a massive entitlement program to take care of them ignoring the millions and millions who are able to take care of their own medical expenses and those eligible for healthcare but choosing not to participate. I employed 1200 people, provided healthcare for all with THE COMPANY paying 80% of the premiums and the employee paid 20%. I didn't pay minimum wage, had an incredible bonus program, and yet 50% chose not to participate. They wanted it totally free. It was their choice, liberals seem to only understand personal choice when it comes to abortion and not other personal responsibility issues.
    Corrected for accuracy The company paid 80% of the Premiums and the employee was responsible for 20%. Even had part time employees joining the company simply for insurance but the young invincible doesn't think about tomorrow and only cares about today. Why should they be forced to purchase insurance, if they make the wrong choice let them pay the price

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, it does, since people are going to control their money more than simply having money given to them or benefits given to them. You always point to the truly needy and somehow believe we need a massive entitlement program to take care of them ignoring the millions and millions who are able to take care of their own medical expenses and those eligible for healthcare but choosing not to participate. I employed 1200 people, provided healthcare for all with them paying 80% of the premiums and the employee paid 20%. I didn't pay minimum wage, had an incredible bonus program, and yet 50% chose not to participate. They wanted it totally free. It was their choice, liberals seem to only understand personal choice when it comes to abortion and not other personal responsibility issues.
    It's not that simple and being sick or injured is skin. And as noted, most have to pay something for insurance, which is also skin in the game. And that's true no matter what you did or didn't do.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not that simple and being sick or injured is skin. And as noted, most have to pay something for insurance, which is also skin in the game. And that's true no matter what you did or didn't do.
    It is very simple, liberals want to make the simple complicated and do that with just about every issue. Everything is an emergency and that appeals to the heart thus people like you buy the rhetoric which has led us to the 18.2 trillion dollar debt we have today.

    You are right, most have to pay something for the insurance but most are subsidized, where do the subsidizes come from. By the way have you read your signature line? Think about it?

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It is very simple, liberals want to make the simple complicated and do that with just about every issue. Everything is an emergency and that appeals to the heart thus people like you buy the rhetoric which has led us to the 18.2 trillion dollar debt we have today.

    You are right, most have to pay something for the insurance but most are subsidized, where do the subsidizes come from. By the way have you read your signature line? Think about it?
    I'm not concerned about any rant on liberals or conservatives for that matter. Try to focus on the substance of the issue. No one has argued anything was an emergency. Hell the issue has been worked on and debated for decades. There has been no emergency pushing it through.

    And yes, tax dollars are collected from the populace pays for subsides. But everyone has skin in the game, which was what we were talking about. Now, if you wan to move to tax dollars, sure, I can do that. Tax dollars help us work together to solve huge problems. Medical care is expensive and too often requires more than the individual, or at least most individuals, will ever be able to handle. Finding a collective way to tackle that is not evil. It's smart, proactive, and better than just dealing with the aftermath of a poorly provided for nation ad hoc, paying far more than any other nation.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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