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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The side that constantly misreads how the court will rule, largely due to a lack of knowledge.

    The Courts didn't legislate any of that. They ruled on the law. I'm on the side of the law and our system.
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I support a court that follows the law. And that is what they did. You calling it activist doesn't make activist.
    And exactly what law is that? You believe in the Constitution so show me where marriage and Healthcare are mentioned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    And exactly what law is that? You believe in the Constitution so show me where marriage and Healthcare are mentioned?
    Show me where the Air Force is mentioned in the Constitution

    Some Americans think the "marriage" problem is covered without a need for an explicit statement, just as the Air Force is not mentioned in the Constitution
    US Constitution - 5th and 14th Amendments

    The Fifth Amendment has an explicit requirement that the Federal Government not deprive individuals of "life, liberty, or property," without due process of the law and an implicit guarantee that each person receive equal protection of the laws.

    The Fourteenth Amendment explicitly prohibits states from violating an individual's rights of due process and equal protection.
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Show me where the Air Force is mentioned in the Constitution

    Some Americans think the "marriage" problem is covered without a need for an explicit statement, just as the Air Force is not mentioned in the Constitution
    Oh, stop with this BS. Air Force is part of the Military and according to people like you the Equal Protection Clause can be used to define anything you want it to be and that was never the intent. Marriage was defined by history and administered by the states. Civil Unions have been created but that isn't good enough for radicals.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Oh, stop with this BS. Air Force is part of the Military and according to people like you the Equal Protection Clause can be used to define anything you want it to be and that was never the intent. Marriage was defined by history and administered by the states. Civil Unions have been created but that isn't good enough for radicals.
    "Marriage was defined by history" - yeah, which history would that be?



    Civil unions are not recognised by all government bodies and do not have equal rights and privileges as marriages.

    The Constitution says "Army and Navy"

    Equal Protection means just what it says. If an individual or group is allowed to act or to be treated in one manner, all other citizens must be treated in the same way.
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    "Marriage was defined by history" - yeah, which history would that be?



    Civil unions are not recognised by all government bodies and do not have equal rights and privileges as marriages.

    The Constitution says "Army and Navy"

    Equal Protection means just what it says. If an individual or group is allowed to act or to be treated in one manner, all other citizens must be treated in the same way.
    This argument will continue and eventually you are going to wake up the silent majority this country and aren't going to like the outcome. I stand by my statement and beliefs. I have nothing against gays at all but some traditions should remain as they are. There is absolutely no reason to change the definition of marriage as other options are available.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    John Roberts’s full-throated gay marriage dissent: Constitution ‘had nothing to do with it’ - The Washington Post

    Let's see the liberals demonize John Roberts when he rules on something they disagree with but how the trumpet him when he rules on issues they agree with. This is a well reasoned dissent.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    This argument will continue and eventually you are going to wake up the silent majority this country and aren't going to like the outcome. I stand by my statement and beliefs. I have nothing against gays at all but some traditions should remain as they are. There is absolutely no reason to change the definition of marriage as other options are available.
    The "silent majority"? Would that be people who hang up their phone if they don't know the caller? You know, the ones who have never answer a pollster's questions. For some reason, the polling companies all show the not so silent majority tend to support same-sex marriage.

    Traditions have changed over the years, the modern understanding of opposite sex marriage, the "traditional" kind, has really only existed since the mid-19th Century and only as women gained equal rights was it supported by the legal system.
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The "silent majority"? Would that be people who hang up their phone if they don't know the caller? You know, the ones who have never answer a pollster's questions. For some reason, the polling companies all show the not so silent majority tend to support same-sex marriage.

    Traditions have changed over the years, the modern understanding of opposite sex marriage, the "traditional" kind, has really only existed since the mid-19th Century and only as women gained equal rights was it supported by the legal system.
    Traditional vs. Natural Law. I prefer natural law and it is unnatural for two of the same sex individuals to marry and procreate. Roberts got it right and it is quite telling how radicals like you interpret the equal protection law strictly on a personal nature on what you want so in your world if it feels good do it. Marriage is a state issue as the Federal Govt. recognizes civil unions but that isn't good enough for you or others like you. Your opinion noted, I respect it but disagree with it.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    This argument will continue and eventually you are going to wake up the silent majority this country and aren't going to like the outcome. I stand by my statement and beliefs. I have nothing against gays at all but some traditions should remain as they are. There is absolutely no reason to change the definition of marriage as other options are available.
    Those other options really weren't available, except in a limited number of states and even in those states civil unions weren't equivalent to marriage. Those other options could have been available, but my own state's Constitutional amendment for example not only banned SSM in Tennessee but said that any such marriage in any other state was void in the state. Many states such as adjoining Virginia's banned civil unions, and any "union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage."

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