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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    It was smart of you quit, especially since you lack the ability to understand how taxes are used for funding.
    What part is this sentence don't you understand?

    "The "relevant taxes" for healthcare spending are equal to (or less than in the case of deficits) public spending on healthcare."

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I've looked at a number of estimates from a variety of sources, expressed as PPP or % of GDP or nominal spending adjusted for different currencies. The pictures look the same no matter how it's done.

    If you have other data, please show it.
    No matter how it is done? Show me another country with 312 million people, 50 sovereign states, and a 17.5 trillion dollar economy that has freedom of the press to post perceived actual data and then compare the tax structure to those countries as well. Do you have any idea why taxes in Europe on gasoline are so much higher? Do you realize how dependent those countries are on govt. spending? Point, you have no idea what goes into those foreign countries nor the freedom of choice they have like we have in this country to affect our healthcare whether it be fast food, drugs, alcohol, obesity.

    This is what liberals want to ignore

    How Low Are U.S. Taxes Compared to Other Countries? - The Atlantic

    But these numbers might understate how low taxes have been in the U.S. Unlike most advanced economies, the U.S. don't supplement personal income taxes with a national sales tax, or value-added tax (VAT). Consumption taxes accounted for about a fifth of total U.S. revenue in 2008 (mostly at the state and local level) compared to an OECD average of 32 percent. In other words, the U.S. relies uniquely on personal tax rates to raise revenue -- and we have relatively low personal tax rates.
    Do you have any idea what their national sales taxes and VAT taxes fund?

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    "The "relevant taxes" for healthcare spending are equal to (or less than in the case of deficits) public spending on healthcare."
    Taxes for healthcare are additional "spending" specifically by the people.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Taxes for healthcare are additional "spending" specifically by the people.
    So, if you pay $1 to government in "healthcare" taxes, and government then spends $1 on healthcare, total systemwide spending on "healthcare" is $2.

    Interesting! Wrong, fails basic math and reveals a deep misunderstanding of public finance, but interesting!

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    So, if you pay $1 to government in "healthcare" taxes, and government then spends $1 on healthcare, total systemwide spending on "healthcare" is $2.
    Nope.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Nope.
    Then "Taxes for healthcare are additional "spending" specifically by the people" is wrong.

    And the public healthcare spending in the graph is >= healthcare taxes.

    But you're just trolling and I'm responding because I'm otherwise doing paperwork.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Then "Taxes for healthcare are additional "spending" specifically by the people" is wrong.
    Your post wanting that to mean what you wrote was wrong, yes.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Your post wanting that to mean what you wrote was wrong, yes.
    You're not making any sense. I hate to say it but figuring out my credit card bill is more interesting than this "debate."

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    The word "that" is hard for you?

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    The word "that" is hard for you?
    Your incoherent statements are a problem, yes. I have no idea what "Taxes for healthcare are additional "spending" specifically by the people" means in actual English. I understand the words, but not how "taxes for healthcare" differs from "Public Expenditure on Health" in the graph, except that the former (taxes for healthcare) can be less than the latter (public spending) due to deficit spending.

    And ALL "Public Expenditures on Health" are ultimately by the people as are private expenditures on health. Either we pay for health spending directly or through taxes paid to government which then spends some part of those taxes on healthcare.

    So this is like arguing with a 1st grader. You've not attempted to make any point except to state gibberish, then debate my interpretation of that gibberish.

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