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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    So there are no working poor and anybody working full time supporting themselves can afford healthcare? You know that's wrong, I guess.

    And it doesn't matter if they're stuck there for life. They are working there NOW, and if they get sick NOW, it's not much good to tell them in 5 years they'll have a good job managing some store if they do everything right.



    That's a nice story. If he's an electrical engineer, his intellect is far above average. Unfortunately this isn't Lake Wobegon, where we can all be above average. I'm not sure what your point is anyway, except it's all their fault. I disagree, but if true, what is your point?



    And I showed that you're wrong about that. Bolding a false, baseless assertion doesn't make it true.

    Furthermore the problems of getting healthcare exist far above whatever level you consider "truly poor."
    Do you have any idea how many Texans are eligible for Medicaid and other TX healthcare programs and don't sign up? Do you think we ought to have a bunch of people going door to door and taking people by the hand to get them to sign up for programs already in existence? You think we need ACA to solve the healthcare problem in this country?

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

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    Do you have any idea how many Texans are eligible for Medicaid and other TX healthcare programs and don't sign up?
    No.

    Do you think we ought to have a bunch of people going door to door and taking people by the hand to get them to sign up for programs already in existence?
    Sounds like a good idea. Probably help out some providers and hospitals to get paid. Health would probably improve.

    You think we need ACA to solve the healthcare problem in this country?
    Yes. Not the ACA in particular, actually, but some sort of single payer system.

    That was a fun Q&A! Thanks.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    No.



    Sounds like a good idea. Probably help out some providers and hospitals to get paid. Health would probably improve.



    Yes. Not the ACA in particular, actually, but some sort of single payer system.

    That was a fun Q&A! Thanks.
    Single Payer system? You believe Medicare is a success? You think SS is a success? Any idea what the costs are to administer those programs? Like most liberal social programs they always sound good, the problem is the devil is in the details and the results.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Single Payer system? You believe Medicare is a success? You think SS is a success? Any idea what the costs are to administer those programs? Like most liberal social programs they always sound good, the problem is the devil is in the details and the results.
    I know the admin costs in single payer systems are a small fraction of our system with a hospital billing maybe dozens or hundreds of different insurers, different rates negotiated with each one, different billing systems, etc. Bottom line is the rest of the world spends FAR less than we do, and there are no uninsured....

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    So there are no working poor and anybody working full time supporting themselves can afford healthcare? You know that's wrong, I guess.
    First, I never claimed that there are not working poor. Second, I did not claim that anybody and everybody who works full time can afford healthcare. And while healthcare reform was needed, the actual number of Americans who cannot afford healthcare has gone up dramatically since obamacare has become the law. Technically, more may be insured, however what's the use of having insurance that you cannot take advantage of?

    And it doesn't matter if they're stuck there for life. They are working there NOW, and if they get sick NOW, it's not much good to tell them in 5 years they'll have a good job managing some store if they do everything right.
    There is such a thing as applying for medicaid if they are truly poor.



    That's a nice story. If he's an electrical engineer, his intellect is far above average. Unfortunately this isn't Lake Wobegon, where we can all be above average. I'm not sure what your point is anyway, except it's all their fault. I disagree, but if true, what is your point?
    I have other examples that do not include disabled workers of great intellect, however I suspect that you get the point. That point is that not every disabled person is helpless and many are quite successful if they do not let their handicaps define their lives.


    And I showed that you're wrong about that. Bolding a false, baseless assertion doesn't make it true.

    Furthermore the problems of getting healthcare exist far above whatever level you consider "truly poor."
    And obamacare is making it incredibly worse. However my point still stands. Those who are truly poor do qualify for medicaid.....before and since obamacare.
    There are no "ifs", "ands", or "buts" to that point.
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I know the admin costs in single payer systems are a small fraction of our system with a hospital billing maybe dozens or hundreds of different insurers, different rates negotiated with each one, different billing systems, etc. Bottom line is the rest of the world spends FAR less than we do, and there are no uninsured....
    That nails it.

    It is not called 'single payer', that's a stupid American invention but you are right, the only uninsured are illegal aliens who get treated and arrested.
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Bottom line is the rest of the world spends FAR less than we do, and there are no uninsured....
    Except they do not include relevant taxes as a cost.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    No.



    Sounds like a good idea. Probably help out some providers and hospitals to get paid. Health would probably improve.



    Yes. Not the ACA in particular, actually, but some sort of single payer system.

    That was a fun Q&A! Thanks.
    Single payer would be even worse then obamacare. Single payer would not be reform. It would be throwing in the towel. And then everyone would learn the word: "Rationing".

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Single Payer system? You believe Medicare is a success? You think SS is a success? Any idea what the costs are to administer those programs? Like most liberal social programs they always sound good, the problem is the devil is in the details and the results.
    The left does not want to hear about such things as costs to the taxpayers. They just one to go on thinking they are getting something for free.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I know the admin costs in single payer systems are a small fraction of our system with a hospital billing maybe dozens or hundreds of different insurers, different rates negotiated with each one, different billing systems, etc.

    Simply not true. You obviously do not have a clue how bloated and inefficient government beauracracies are. That's why the Veterans Healthcare system is in so much trouble. They are top heavy on administration and lacking in doctors, nurses, clinics, and hospitals. And the medicare system spends more on administration then it does on medical care.



    Bottom line is the rest of the world spends FAR less than we do, and there are no uninsured....

    The rest of the world also provides less healthcare and in many cases inferior healthcare.

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