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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What really bothers me is how little you know about GDP and the components of GDP in this country vs. the European economy. Please figure it out and then you will see why the European economy and model that liberals want is so flawed.
    Conservative, these posts you make that basically boil down to "figure out what I know" are impossible. Generally speaking, it turns out that what you think you know is actually all wrong, so there isn't really any way for another person to guess what you're thinking. If you want to have a discussion, you need to lay out what you think is going on so that we can help you.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Oh, now I get it.

    a memeist, hyperbole out of the white house basement.

    Please enjoy your trolling and disinformation...we've had seven years of it and it's really ****ing boring.

    I hate liars and Obama is one making every one of his followers liars as well.

    "You can keep your plan..." yeah that proves "liberal" is truth!
    Oh look! Hannity phrase #17, #33 and #109.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    Yes, it is. Those pieces of the ACA launched shortly after the law passed in 2010. They are fully implemented; 4-5 years into implementation in most cases.

    Others have pointed this out but this fact really needs to sink in: your ignorance of this law is staggering.
    What exactly was implemented right after it passed? Taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Look nothing is going to change your mind, if you are right years from now you can say "see, I told you so" but if I am right it will be too late as the debt will have already been accumulated and the healthcare system will have failed thus forcing a single payer system which does nothing but keep bureaucrats employed. I would rather be safe than sorry and let history be my guide.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by tuhaybey View Post
    Conservative, these posts you make that basically boil down to "figure out what I know" are impossible. Generally speaking, it turns out that what you think you know is actually all wrong, so there isn't really any way for another person to guess what you're thinking. If you want to have a discussion, you need to lay out what you think is going on so that we can help you.
    Yes, got it, history is wrong, the federal govt has efficiently and effectively social programs that have lowered costs and actually solved problems thus no longer exist. What is going on is another federally implemented social program that will cost more than intended and do less than intended but will create dependence. History is your guide, learn from it or repeat it. What is going on is a massive central govt. program to solve a perceived problem when a smaller state initiated program would be better and less costly on the whole.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Look nothing is going to change your mind, if you are right years from now
    I'm right already. What's confusing you here?

    You say, based on nothing, it'll cost more than promised. I can point to it coming in hundreds of billions dollars below what was promised, not to mention generating hundreds of billions more in savings than anticipated.

    You say, based on nothing, it does nothing to improve quality. I can point to numerous leaps in quality it's achieved already.

    You're waving your hands and reiterating your bump sticker slogans. I'm pointing to actual results already being achieved. All you talk about is intent, I'm talking about results.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    I'm right already. What's confusing you here?

    You say, based on nothing, it'll cost more than promised. I can point to it coming in hundreds of billions dollars below what was promised, not to mention generating hundreds of billions more in savings than anticipated.

    You say, based on nothing, it does nothing to improve quality. I can point to numerous leaps in quality it's achieved already.

    You're waving your hands and reiterating your bump sticker slogans. I'm pointing to actual results already being achieved. All you talk about is intent, I'm talking about results.
    Yes, you believe you are right but what you cannot explain is why we need ACA to correct the healthcare problem in this country. Do you support what MA did? If so why not let the other states do the same thing? You want a federal bureaucracy that has created the current 18.2 trillion dollar debt most of which is due to social engineering. Why doesn't that resonate with you?

    Keep spouting the talking points of a program that hasn't been fully implemented and when it is and it fails what say you then? Have you ever admitted being wrong?

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, you believe you are right but what you cannot explain is why we need ACA to correct the healthcare problem in this country. Do you support what MA did? If so why not let the other states do the same thing?
    States are pursuing their own reforms.

    State Innovation Models

    The ACA is just helping them to finance their reforms. Your perception that this is all-federal, all-the-time is misguided.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    States are pursuing their own reforms.

    State Innovation Models

    The ACA is just helping them to finance their reforms. Your perception that this is all-federal, all-the-time is misguided.
    You continue to look to the creation of a nanny state. did the federal taxpayers help MA? There is no way you or any other liberal can justify the federal govt. creating another entitlement program for the 50 sovereign states based upon the Constitution and the vision of our Founders. Let's admit it, you want a massive central govt. to do what you cannot get your state to do? Do you get personal gain by having a faceless taxpayer fund your health insurance?

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    First of all, we have millions of jobs that pay poverty wages. If you want to claim that making better decisions can eliminate poverty level jobs and poverty, there is no evidence for that at all. Jane makes better decisions and gets a better job than Walmart cashier. Fantastic! Someone will take her place. And, what? Anyone sitting in that chair taking your money doesn't get healthcare?

    Second, yes, it's sort of a given that many of the poor made bad decisions that got them there. And so they don't get healthcare? And should die for lack of care? I don't think you're suggesting that, so other than blaming them for their condition, I'm not sure what the point is.
    You are assuming that everyone who works as a cashier at Walmart is living on whatever they make at Walmart. The truth is that most of them are supplementing their spouse's income or putting themselves through school Not everyone who works for minimum wage is stuck there for life. And not every poor person remains poor for life.

    Others are poor because they live in poor areas, with crap schools, are functionally illiterate, maybe made a decent living as manufacturing workers or miners etc. until the plant moved to China and have few options, are disabled, mentally or physically, etc.
    Well, you can thank the high corporate taxes and the labor unions for the plants that are moved out of the United States. As for the poor areas and crap schools nobody is forced to stay in a poor area or remain functionally illiterate. And while mentally disabled are one thing, many physically disable people live very productive lives. One such disabled person who taught me alot suffered from multiple sclerosis and was wheelchair bound. Yet he was a successful electrical engineer at Teledyne.

    And what you said about the picture is they all had access to Medicaid or Medicare and so didn't need to get in line at 1am, camp out, to get seen by a doctor or dentist. You were wrong about that. If not, why did they do it? Because camping out all night is fun? And that we have RAM in Kentucky is evidence of a healthcare system that works as intended? Perhaps to you, not to me.
    What I said was that if they are truly poor, they are eligible for medicaid.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    You are assuming that everyone who works as a cashier at Walmart is living on whatever they make at Walmart. The truth is that most of them are supplementing their spouse's income or putting themselves through school Not everyone who works for minimum wage is stuck there for life. And not every poor person remains poor for life.
    So there are no working poor and anybody working full time supporting themselves can afford healthcare? You know that's wrong, I guess.

    And it doesn't matter if they're stuck there for life. They are working there NOW, and if they get sick NOW, it's not much good to tell them in 5 years they'll have a good job managing some store if they do everything right.

    Well, you can thank the high corporate taxes and the labor unions for the plants that are moved out of the United States. As for the poor areas and crap schools nobody is forced to stay in a poor area or remain functionally illiterate. And while mentally disabled are one thing, many physically disable people live very productive lives. One such disabled person who taught me alot suffered from multiple sclerosis and was wheelchair bound. Yet he was a successful electrical engineer at Teledyne.
    That's a nice story. If he's an electrical engineer, his intellect is far above average. Unfortunately this isn't Lake Wobegon, where we can all be above average. I'm not sure what your point is anyway, except it's all their fault. I disagree, but if true, what is your point?

    What I said was that if they are truly poor, they are eligible for medicaid.
    And I showed that you're wrong about that. Bolding a false, baseless assertion doesn't make it true.

    Furthermore the problems of getting healthcare exist far above whatever level you consider "truly poor."

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