Page 105 of 154 FirstFirst ... 55595103104105106107115 ... LastLast
Results 1,041 to 1,050 of 1534

Thread: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

  1. #1041
    Guru
    Greenbeard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    New England
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    3,156

    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    Of course, the "savings" and "deficit reduction" of the PPACA disappeared as later CBO estimates show. Currently the law will cost $140 billion a year. The "cuts" that were supposed to take place in Medicare were to be cuts in payments but Congress, as most expected, cancelled those cuts. Smoke and Mirrors. Medicare spending actually grew by 25.3% over the past 5 years, which is a greater increase that the 18.9% increase in private insurance and 20.2% increase in overall health care spending.
    Not really. Medicare is below where it needed to be to make the ACA's books balance (and that's before you take it into account that the ACA's spending provisions have turned out to be cheaper than projected and thus fewer savings are actually needed to offset them--yet Medicare savings has turned out to be more than required).

    Medicare Spending Trends, in Billions of Dollars (red values are actual)
    2010
    2011
    2012
    2013
    2014
    2015
    2016
    2017
    2018
    2019
    2020
    Total, 2010-2020
    Pre-Reform (Jan. 2010)
    528
    574
    581
    638
    710
    735
    794
    830
    867
    962
    1,038
    8,257
    Required by Reform to Balance Books (post-reform projections)
    524
    566
    569
    617
    652
    684
    741
    772
    805
    878
    929
    7,737
    Now (March 2015)
    524
    554
    551
    585
    600
    626
    671
    681
    698
    775
    829
    7,094
    Actual Savings Relative to Pre-ACA
    4 (0.8%)
    20 (3.5%)
    30 (5.2%)
    53 (8.3%)
    110 (15.5%)
    109 (14.8%)
    123 (15.5%)
    149 (18.0%)
    169 (19.5%)
    187 (19.4%)
    209 (20.1%)
    1,163 (14.1%)

  2. #1042
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:39 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    59,733

    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    No.

    There are systems now in place for quality improvement. It's clearly starting to happen.

    You clearly showed you are absolutely clueless that there is a strong quality component of the ACA, and I am certain you couldn't even guess what the benchmarks for QI are anyway.


    You clearly have absolutely no clue about the ACA beyond what Sean Hannity has told you, so scorn and ridicule should be the appropriate response to any more of your posts.
    Keep believing what you are told, I will rely on history and actual results. Sure am glad I got to keep my doctor and my plan. You obviously have no clue about history, basic human behavior, and economics.

  3. #1043
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:39 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    59,733

    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    Not really. Medicare is below where it needed to be to make the ACA's books balance (and that's before you take it into account that the ACA's spending provisions have turned out to be cheaper than projected and thus fewer savings are actually needed to offset them--yet Medicare savings has turned out to be more than required).

    Medicare Spending Trends, in Billions of Dollars (red values are actual)
    2010
    2011
    2012
    2013
    2014
    2015
    2016
    2017
    2018
    2019
    2020
    Total, 2010-2020
    Pre-Reform (Jan. 2010)
    528
    574
    581
    638
    710
    735
    794
    830
    867
    962
    1,038
    8,257
    Required by Reform to Balance Books (post-reform projections)
    524
    566
    569
    617
    652
    684
    741
    772
    805
    878
    929
    7,737
    Now (March 2015)
    524
    554
    551
    585
    600
    626
    671
    681
    698
    775
    829
    7,094
    Actual Savings Relative to Pre-ACA
    4 (0.8%)
    20 (3.5%)
    30 (5.2%)
    53 (8.3%)
    110 (15.5%)
    109 (14.8%)
    123 (15.5%)
    149 (18.0%)
    169 (19.5%)
    187 (19.4%)
    209 (20.1%)
    1,163 (14.1%)
    I have to believe some here work for the govt. and are here to sell Obamacare and continue to fool some very good people. Obamacare hasn't been fully implemented yet but deductibles are increasing, people have lost their plan and their doctors, and taxes have been increased making the program look better than it truly is or will be. The employer mandate hasn't been implemented yet but big govt. liberals are taking victory laps when the reality is millions and millions of Americans are experiencing higher costs, loss of doctors, and the problems are going to get worse. You are supporting another Federal entitlement program that will end up costing more than projected and adding to the debt.

  4. #1044
    Quantum sufficit


    Threegoofs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    The birthplace of Italian Beef
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:44 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    22,768

    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Keep believing what you are told, I will rely on history and actual results. Sure am glad I got to keep my doctor and my plan. You obviously have no clue about history, basic human behavior, and economics.
    In other words, you don't know, don't care you don't know, and are determined to continue not to know in order to preserve your ideological fantasies.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

  5. #1045
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:39 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    59,733

    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    In other words, you don't know, don't care you don't know, and are determined to continue not to know in order to preserve your ideological fantasies.
    Actually I do know history and to me results matter, not rhetoric or feelings. You react to feelings based upon judging everyone else by your own standards and beliefs. You ignore human behavior and actual results. You see, in the liberal world in which you live, feelings trump reality. You buy what you are told because that is what you want to believe. We have an 18.2 trillion dollar debt along with trillions in unfunded liabilities with SS and Medicare because of feelings and liberal beliefs

    Oh, by the way, noticed your alias and it is quite appropriate, 3 Goofs!! Yep, SS, Medicare, and now ACA

  6. #1046
    Sage
    Captain America's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:36 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    17,215

    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    In other words, you don't know, don't care you don't know, and are determined to continue not to know in order to preserve your ideological fantasies.
    He's a Texan. What can ya do?

    It's GREAT to be me. --- "45% liberal/55% conservative"
    Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy" until you can find a gun.

  7. #1047
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:39 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    59,733

    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    He's a Texan. What can ya do?
    Thought we had gotten beyond that. I am not a Texans but I live in TX and it was the best move I ever made. In TX there is personal responsibility and results matter. Apparently in Wisconsin there are still people who believe feelings trump actual results. Entitlement programs in the liberal world always save money, save people, and make everyone feel good regardless of the fact that actual results are too costly, do not generate the promised results, but they do make people like you feel better.

  8. #1048
    Sage
    Captain America's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:36 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    17,215

    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Thought we had gotten beyond that. I am not a Texans but I live in TX and it was the best move I ever made. In TX there is personal responsibility and results matter. Apparently in Wisconsin there are still people who believe feelings trump actual results. Entitlement programs in the liberal world always save money, save people, and make everyone feel good regardless of the fact that actual results are too costly, do not generate the promised results, but they do make people like you feel better.
    Lighten up dude. That was meant as humor.

    As far as the rest of your post... blah, blah, blah and more blah.....

    It's GREAT to be me. --- "45% liberal/55% conservative"
    Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy" until you can find a gun.

  9. #1049
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:39 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    59,733

    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Lighten up dude. That was meant as humor.

    As far as the rest of your post... blah, blah, blah and more blah.....
    Yep, that is what I normally get from indoctrinated liberals who buy rhetoric and think with their hearts. Results don't matter and liberal arrogance always kicks in, liberals believing that the previous group of liberals didn't spend the money properly and they can do it better. With liberal leadership however it is about keeping people dependent and thus keeping power. Without dependence there wouldn't be any liberal bureaucrats

  10. #1050
    Quantum sufficit


    Threegoofs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    The birthplace of Italian Beef
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:44 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    22,768

    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Lighten up dude. That was meant as humor.

    As far as the rest of your post... blah, blah, blah and more blah.....
    Well, he feels that the ACA is bad.

    He doesn't know facts or details, but he feels it in his gut. And we all know, guts are truthier than brains.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •