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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Not at all. A study does not have to necessarily agree with my point of view....it merely needs to be based on actual science or common sense.
    No, you categorically dismissed studies about healthcare in general. You're dismissing them because you know that studies in general don't support your stance- based on the conclusions they reach, not the way they get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Quality never was the issue in ACA and it is obvious it won't provide quality but rather just coverage and it won't reduce costs as no federal entitlement program does that.
    Quality and cost control are indeed the issues in the ACA. We've gone from the days of "the law is too many pages and tries to do too much!" to "it's narrowly focused and does very little!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    Quality and cost control are indeed the issues in the ACA. We've gone from the days of "the law is too many pages and tries to do too much!" to "it's narrowly focused and does very little!"
    Name for me one govt. run program that ever cost what it was supposed to cost and actually lowered prices? Stop thinking with your heart and buying the liberal rhetoric

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Name for me one govt. run program that ever cost what it was supposed to cost and actually lowered prices? Stop thinking with your heart and buying the liberal rhetoric
    The ACA

    Maybe not--it's costing significantly less than it was supposed to cost.
    Overall, the health-care law will now cost 29% less for the 2015-19 period than was first forecast by the CBO when the law was signed in March 2010. Back then, the CBO and the congressional Joint Committee on Taxation estimated that for the last five years of their 10-year projection, Obamacare would cost $710 billion. Now, they expect it will cost $506 billion for the same period.
    But we have seen some interesting things on the price front.

    Here's a first: January hospital prices lower than a year ago
    The prices that health insurers paid to acute-care hospitals declined in January [2015] compared with the same month a year ago, a first since federal officials began to collect such data. Public sector and private payer efforts to push down costs could explain the drop, experts said.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    The ACA

    Maybe not--it's costing significantly less than it was supposed to cost.


    But we have seen some interesting things on the price front.

    Here's a first: January hospital prices lower than a year ago
    ACA hasn't even been fully implemented but has had many of the tax increases and money has already been stolen from Medicare which was a self funded program paid for by FICA taxes. SS costs were lower than expected to because the life expectancy was much lower than the original payout date so I await for the Federal Social program that cost less than intended

    You do also realize these are projections and not reality??

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    ACA hasn't even been fully implemented but has had many of the tax increases and money has already been stolen from Medicare which was a self funded program paid for by FICA taxes.
    It's pretty fully implemented at this point, you can drop this nonsense.

    You do also realize these are projections and not reality??
    Don't worry, we have actual costs for the first year. It was more than a third cheaper than promised.

    CBO Provides First Snapshot of Coverage Expansion Costs
    October 10, 2014 -- The cost of expanding insurance coverage under the health law in fiscal 2014 was far lower than budget experts predicted when Congress passed the overhaul four years ago, according to figures released this week by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

    The preliminary numbers capture the expenses for the fiscal year during which the main coverage expansion provisions of the law kicked in.

    The Treasury paid out $13 billion in subsidies to help lower-income Americans pay premiums for plans sold on insurances exchanges and in some cases, cover their out-of-pocket costs. By comparison, CBO projections in March 2010 pegged the cost of the subsidies at $19 billion for the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30.
    The projections have consistently overshot the reality. Which is another way of saying the law has consistently cost less than it was supposed to.

    So next time someone asks you (or you feel the need to ask) when a federal program has been cheaper than promised, you have an answer! The ACA.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    It's pretty fully implemented at this point, you can drop this nonsense.



    Don't worry, we have actual costs for the first year. It was more than a third cheaper than promised.

    CBO Provides First Snapshot of Coverage Expansion Costs


    The projections have consistently overshot the reality. Which is another way of saying the law has consistently cost less than it was supposed to.

    So next time someone asks you (or you feel the need to ask) when a federal program has been cheaper than promised, you have an answer! The ACA.
    No the enrollment isn't what has been projected and that affects costs. The fines haven't kicked in yet for many businesses thus full implementation hasn't taken place. You buy what you are told and nothing is going to change your mind including actual results. You confuse projections with facts and look at one year as an example of years to come. Liberals love having people like you

    Any idea how the subsidies affect costs and do you even have a clue what CBO does and the accuracy of their PROJECTIONS??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No the enrollment isn't what has been projected and that affects costs. The fines haven't kicked in yet for many businesses thus full implementation hasn't taken place. You buy what you are told and nothing is going to change your mind including actual results. You confuse projections with facts and look at one year as an example of years to come. Liberals love having people like you
    I can't even tell--are you acknowledging that it's costing less (significantly less) than it was supposed to or not? You seem to be in full-on excuse mode for why that should be so I'm assuming the answer is yes.

    In which case, again consider your question answered. Which program has ever cost less than promised? The ACA!

    Any idea how the subsidies affect costs and do you even have a clue what CBO does and the accuracy of their PROJECTIONS??
    They seem to have significantly overestimated the cost of the ACA, I'll grant you that.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    I can't even tell--are you acknowledging that it's costing less (significantly less) than it was supposed to or not? You seem to be in full-on excuse mode for why that should be so I'm assuming the answer is yes.

    In which case, again consider your question answered. Which program has ever cost less than promised? The ACA!



    They seem to have significantly overestimated the cost of the ACA, I'll grant you that.
    No, the point remains projections are just that and to base those projections on a year is nothing but foolish and inaccurate. Any idea how accurate the CBO is on their projections? Why don't you look it up? Now tell me what happens if you are wrong and costs skyrocket like they have done with SS and Medicare? Why do you so willingly accept

    They over estimated the costs because the enrollment isn't as expected and people aren't going to sign up until the fines kick in. it is amazing how low you can get the costs with taxpayer subsidies, isn't it?

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, the money they took from Medicare did not come from reimbursements to doctors, and there are more doctors who accept Medicare now than there have ever been before
    Facts are such difficult things for some to accept....
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