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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You guys have been wrong in predicting these cases again and again. When will you consider you know know the law or the Constitution as well as you think?
    I would suggest that you take a course in American Government, specifically in regards to the Separation of Powers and how the US Supreme Court is supposed to work. It's not that we predicted wrong, it's that five of the nine justices acted as activist judges. They legislated from the bench. What they are supposed to do is interpret the constitutionality of a law based on how it is written....not interpret it according to what they would like it to say. The US Spreme Court is of the Judicial branch. If they want to legislate, they should resign from the court and run for congress.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    LOL. You mean when I nailed you to the wall on misstatements (because health care is a field that is my profession and I've been involved in both the public and private sectors for 25 years - which I'm pretty sure qualifies as 'research') and you ignored it and started screaming about liberals taking your tax money, and then demanded I answer to your ideological cartoon position?
    No, sport. Experiance in healthcare does not necessarily qualify as research. Are you actually involved in providing healthcare? Or do you just sell health insurance?

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I know it so funny how some who are so opposed to " Obamacare " think having private insurance means they don't have " Obamacare".

    My sister in law is totally against the ACA which she calls Obamacare but she was so happy she was able to help her 23 year son who lives out state ( and save a lot of money too ) by adding him to her policy.

    She doesn't even know that if were not for the ACA ( " Obamacare ") she would not be able to do that. She thinks since she has private insurance she does not have that dreaded " Obamacare".
    However, when the lad reaches the age of 27, his mom will have to cut the apron strings.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I would suggest that you take a course in American Government, specifically in regards to the Separation of Powers and how the US Supreme Court is supposed to work. It's not that we predicted wrong, it's that five of the nine justices acted as activist judges. They legislated from the bench. What they are supposed to do is interpret the constitutionality of a law based on how it is written....not interpret it according to what they would like it to say. The US Spreme Court is of the Judicial branch. If they want to legislate, they should resign from the court and run for congress.
    Here is the oppinion of the court:

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...4-114_qol1.pdf

    Point out where majority made its error.
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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    According to a MIT economist who helped develop the law about half the money comes from medicare savings, another 25 percent from the added taxes on medical-device makers and drug companies and the rest rest from those families who make over $250,000 a year.
    Medicare savings? It is actually medicare theft. They pulled half a trillion dollars from Medicare to help pay for obamacare. In doing so, they are not reimbursing medicare doctors at a rate less then it actually costs to treat medicare patients. It is creating a shortage of medicare doctors. Taxes on medical device makers?.......stupid move. The so-called affordable healthcare act was supposed to make healthcare affordable...not more expensives. Adding taxes to the drug companies will make medical drugs more expensive. And the rest does not come merely from families that make over $250,000 a year. It is robbing blind, anyone who does not qualify for a subsidy.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Medicare savings? It is actually medicare theft. They pulled half a trillion dollars from Medicare to help pay for obamacare. In doing so, they are not reimbursing medicare doctors at a rate less then it actually costs to treat medicare patients. It is creating a shortage of medicare doctors. Taxes on medical device makers?.......stupid move. The so-called affordable healthcare act was supposed to make healthcare affordable...not more expensives. Adding taxes to the drug companies will make medical drugs more expensive. And the rest does not come merely from families that make over $250,000 a year. It is robbing blind, anyone who does not qualify for a subsidy.
    Actually, the money they took from Medicare did not come from reimbursements to doctors, and there are more doctors who accept Medicare now than there have ever been before
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    We do give directly to charities.
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    Since the ACA was passed more doctors have computerized records. More patients can monitor their lab results online and communicate with their doctors online. Hospitals and nurses use the computers bedside to make sure the correct patient is receiving the correct meds at the correct dosage. Duplicate tests are being elimated since nurses and doctors can view the results on previous tests even when those tests were taken out of state.

    This article also tells more quality results from the ACA



    Read more:

    The Melody Of Quality Measures: Harmonize And Standardize
    You are kidding, right? You think computerized and online records would not have happened without Obamacare? That was beginning long before the moron in the oval office even dreamed of running for president.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Now we can get down to substance, instead of your ideological pap.

    Quality was and is a key part of the ACA, with the establishment of pay for performance measures to the Center for Medicare Innovation.

    You have no clue what you are talking about. This proves it.

    The matter is concluded.
    You have no clue whatsoever about performance. The so-called outcome based pay does not account for the bad health habits or gene pool of the patients.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Wrong, at least in Tennessee. Here you have to be poor, and a mother or disabled. If you're just poor, chances are very good you do NOT qualify for Medicaid, and we're talking just above the poverty level poor.
    I don't buy it.

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    Re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I don't buy it.
    Ok, so facts are optional in your world. I knew that. You can see the list of those who qualify here:

    https://www.tn.gov/tenncare/article/tenncare-medicaid

    Some of the groups TennCare Medicaid covers are:

    Children under age 21
    Women who are pregnant
    Parents or caretakers of a minor child (The child must live with you and be a close relative.)
    Women who need of treatment for breast or cervical cancer
    People who get an SSI check (Supplemental Security Income)
    People who have gotten both an SSI check and a Social Security check in the same month at least once since April, 1977 AND who still get a Social Security check
    A person who:
    Lives in a nursing home and has income below $2,199 per month, or
    Gets other long term care services that TennCare pays for

    - See more at: https://www.tn.gov/tenncare/article/....jt26JDs5.dpuf
    Don't like that? Here's the state summary:

    TennCare is the state of Tennessee’s Medicaid program that provides health care for approximately 1.3 million Tennesseans and operates with an annual budget of approximately $10 billion. TennCare members are primarily low-income pregnant women, children and individuals who are elderly or have a disability. -

    See more at: https://www.tn.gov/tenncare/article/....vv6xhXzs.dpuf
    The charity has about 70 guys, all of them poor, most of them working. Almost none of them qualify for Medicaid unless they are classified as disabled. So it doesn't matter much what you "buy" that is what the program covers.

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