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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    they are expecting a 20-40% increase again this year on obamacare plans how is that getting cheaper?
    I have heard about some insurance companies requesting double digit increases - those are requests, not approvals - and the insurance companies which do increase their prices still have to compete (on a website where it is easy to compare numerous plans against each other) with the rest of the insurance companies that maintain competitive pricing.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    The Govt. mandated that a person must pay, is that not a tax?
    Estimated at 16 million would lose coverage in those States.
    And the Republicans would not /did not have a plan other than repealing Obamacare.
    By definition, no. A tax is on something that you do. Not something that you DONT do. This is a fine.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    don't read the news do you.

    Millennials
    O-Care premiums to skyrocket | TheHill

    and the big one for next year
    Obamacare: 2016 sticker shock | WashingtonExaminer.com

    so yes your post is irrelevant in the face of facts.

    Obamacare Increases Large Employers' Health Costs - Forbes

    yep your post is even more irrelevant.
    He reads allot of talking points and left wing blogs though

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    The Govt. mandated that a person must pay, is that not a tax?
    Estimated at 16 million would lose coverage in those States.
    And the Republicans would not /did not have a plan other than repealing Obamacare.
    Well, yes it's technically a tax (because the SC says so), but it's essentially forcing Americans to buy a private product by virtue of their simply being alive.

    But the point I was making is: the SC has ways of using logic to get wherever they'd like to go, in order to suit the times & politics.

    This is seen at best when we examine cases where they logic their way through cases years apart to get opposing rulings, seemingly to suit the times & mood of the country - the school segregation cases of the '50's/'60's are a great example of this.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    The irony here is striking. The majority is accused of legislating from the bench because they did not strike down a key provision of the ACA on a legal technicality due to an ambiguously worded phrase in a 900 page bill. To any reasonable individual, not blinded by partisanship, the three dissenters were the obvious judicial activists in this one.
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by MrT View Post
    I have heard about some insurance companies requesting double digit increases - those are requests, not approvals - and the insurance companies which do increase their prices still have to compete (on a website where it is easy to compare numerous plans against each other) with the rest of the insurance companies that maintain competitive pricing.
    no that was the increase the first year and the 2nd year.
    those were approved increases.

    for 2016 it is worse while not approved it is ranging from 10-70% with 10-30% being the average.

    again please tell me how that is cheaper. you see the word increasing? increasing means going up decreasing means going down.
    prices are not decreasing.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    The Govt. mandated that a person must pay, is that not a tax?
    Estimated at 16 million would lose coverage in those States.
    And the Republicans would not /did not have a plan other than repealing Obamacare.

    Heya JF. Yep and one that keeps growing and doubling and growing some more.

    Over 31 mil that will never have insurance.....isn't that what they said.

    That's not correct several Republicans had plans. But then they couldn't agree on them as a party. It was and is a Leadership problem.

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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    If they don't want to clean up the "mess" caused by Democrats, why did they run for office and why would anyone vote for them? Any moron can take office, collect big donations from billionaires, and sit on their rear pointing fingers at the other guys...
    Maybe they want to make their own mess. Why should such a divisive thing as the Democrats Obamacare become the responsibility of Republicans? Again, let them fix it themselves.

    It seems to me, if Republicans try to turn a sows ear into a silk purse, they will be blamed for the pig. So what's to gain?
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    re: Supreme Court Upholds Obama Health Care Subsidies[W:700]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The irony here is striking. The majority is accused of legislating from the bench because they did not strike down a key provision of the ACA on a legal technicality due to an ambiguously worded phrase in a 900 page bill. To any reasonable individual, not blinded by partisanship, the three dissenters were the obvious judicial activists in this one.
    There was NOTHING ambiguous it.

    It was actually very clear. Only States who built their own exchanges would receive subsidies.

    Jonathan Gruber even explained WHY the Bill was written that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Since it was voted into law the American people have been against the law. While I disagree with the SOCTUS ruling, I guess the upside is that Democrats can't run from this legislation anymore.
    That's a good point considering the actual cost of this new bureaucracy hasn't yet been realized and some of the law has yet to be implemented. The poor can't even afford the premiums with the subsidies and are still using the emergency rooms through Medicaid to seek treatment. Medicaid only pays a fraction of the cost due to healthcare providers. So those who can afford the premiums are paying more for medical services to compensate. The rich can afford the premiums and higher healthcare costs. The middle class not so much. Pretty soon they will be joining the rest of the turnips the government can't squeeze any blood out of.

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