Page 3 of 6 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 54

Thread: Ikea's Minimum Wage Hike Was So Successful, It's Raising Wages Again

  1. #21
    Sage
    jet57's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    not here
    Last Seen
    07-13-17 @ 05:56 PM
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    23,715

    Re: Ikea's Minimum Wage Hike Was So Successful, It's Raising Wages Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    False correlation. People don't eat at In n Out because they pay their employees more.
    Why do you think the food is good and the employees are so good at what they do?
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

  2. #22
    Why so serious?

    Moon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Washington State
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,722

    Re: Ikea's Minimum Wage Hike Was So Successful, It's Raising Wages Again

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Why do you think the food is good and the employees are so good at what they do?
    Recipes, processes and training.
    "I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

    --Albert Einstein, 1929

  3. #23
    Global Moderator
    Moderator
    Helix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    35,358

    Re: Ikea's Minimum Wage Hike Was So Successful, It's Raising Wages Again

    if a company wants to raise wages, cool. makes me a lot more likely to do business with them. as for the national minimum wage, i would tie it to inflation. making the minimum wage $15 everywhere would be counterproductive. what we should do instead is guarantee debt free access to college or to post secondary job training. if we did that, a lot fewer people would be stuck at minimum wage long term, and most of those jobs would be filled by high school and college kids trying to make some extra money instead of by people who are trying to raise a family.

  4. #24
    Sage
    blackjack50's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Florida
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:54 AM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    23,420

    Re: Ikea's Minimum Wage Hike Was So Successful, It's Raising Wages Again

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Why do you think the food is good and the employees are so good at what they do?


    I hate my job. I make less than $15 an hour. My job requires more skill than working a fryer, grill, microwave, and telling customers the shake machine is broke so my lazy ass can go home before my shift is up. Sorry. You want better pay? EARN IT!

    Go work at a temp agency and get more work experience. Go start a rival burger joint (everyone hates McDonald's anyway). Work harder and provide better service. I've had so many poor experiences at McDonald's...the last thing you can tell me is that they actually work hard enough to make more than most Americans.

    You want my sympathy on wage hikes? Start with people who actually DO work hard and get paid way less. IKEA isn't a HORRIBLE start, because I'm aware it is a nicer store. But how about we start with more deserving jobs?
    The Crowd is not the sum of its parts.

  5. #25
    Sage
    Kreton's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Colorado Springs
    Last Seen
    06-30-17 @ 03:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    6,001

    Re: Ikea's Minimum Wage Hike Was So Successful, It's Raising Wages Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Why? I don't see a correlation between minimum wage worker base and sales traffic.

    If Burger King changed their minimum wage to $20.00, would you start eating there as opposed to going to McDonalds, Wendys, Taco Bell, KFC, and the like?
    There are a lot of people who choose to support business that treat employees fairly and refuse to shop at or limit shopping at places that don't treat employees well. Furthermore there are people who are fine paying a little more for better service. And on the whole companies who treat employees better have happier employees. And generally happier employees provide better service. People also tend to prefer businesses who's employees are knowledgeable. Lower employee turnover over time will lead to more knowledgeable employees. So there are benefits. Overall people will buy what is cheapest and don't care who gets trampled in the process because most Americans are greedy and selfish. So Walmart and the like will still have their core consumer base and will continue on screwing the world for their own pockets, but there is a significant number of Americans who value companies for their business practices and not just price.
    “Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.”
    Stephen R. Covey


  6. #26
    Sage
    blackjack50's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Florida
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:54 AM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    23,420

    Re: Ikea's Minimum Wage Hike Was So Successful, It's Raising Wages Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    There are a lot of people who choose to support business that treat employees fairly and refuse to shop at or limit shopping at places that don't treat employees well. Furthermore there are people who are fine paying a little more for better service. And on the whole companies who treat employees better have happier employees. And generally happier employees provide better service. People also tend to prefer businesses who's employees are knowledgeable. Lower employee turnover over time will lead to more knowledgeable employees. So there are benefits. Overall people will buy what is cheapest and don't care who gets trampled in the process because most Americans are greedy and selfish. So Walmart and the like will still have their core consumer base and will continue on screwing the world for their own pockets, but there is a significant number of Americans who value companies for their business practices and not just price.
    Capitalism at work.
    The Crowd is not the sum of its parts.

  7. #27
    Sage
    jmotivator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    15,500

    Re: Ikea's Minimum Wage Hike Was So Successful, It's Raising Wages Again

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The important change is that it's attracting more competent job seekers. I fully support a higher minimum wage and this is a good story. But you must understand, those people whose only skill is flipping burgers (metaphorically speaking) aren't going to be hired. IKEA has just raised the bar.
    I think the important question here is whether the quality of employee that Ikea is attract would still qualify them as under-employed by the BLS. If so then the increase in quality of applicants is more a symptom of a systemic job market problem than it is something to celebrate.

    Also, either way, this doesn't really change the argument about the point of a low minimum wage. Ikea is raising their minimum wage which allows them to attract skilled employees... which squeezes out the unskilled employees that the minimum wage was intended for.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

  8. #28
    Sage



    MaggieD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Chicago Area
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    39,011
    Blog Entries
    30

    Re: Ikea's Minimum Wage Hike Was So Successful, It's Raising Wages Again

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I think the important question here is whether the quality of employee that Ikea is attract would still qualify them as under-employed by the BLS. If so then the increase in quality of applicants is more a symptom of a systemic job market problem than it is something to celebrate.

    Also, either way, this doesn't really change the argument about the point of a low minimum wage. Ikea is raising their minimum wage which allows them to attract skilled employees... which squeezes out the unskilled employees that the minimum wage was intended for.
    Your last paragraph -- I see you get it, too.


    Thank you, Quazi!

  9. #29
    Sage
    faithful_servant's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Beautiful Central Oregon
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    9,455

    Re: Ikea's Minimum Wage Hike Was So Successful, It's Raising Wages Again

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Ikea's Minimum Wage Hike Was So Successful, It's Raising Wages Again

    Ikea's Minimum Wage Hike Was So Successful, It's Raising Wages Again



    So there goes the conservative assertion, “better your skills if you don’t want minimum wages”.

    I told you guys that the wave was coming.


    Happier and more responsible employees with better wages; who'd a thunk ti?
    So a business that caters to middle class America can afford to raise it's prices without creating a problem for it's bottom line or it's customer base's ability to afford to live. big deal...
    Do the same thing to a business that caters to people on a fixed income and the story changes substantially. Suddenly grandma Jones can no longer afford to buy groceries and now gets to have the fun of skipping a meal or two each week. Suddenly, the business can no longer stay profitable, since it's customer base just dropped and gets to go through the "fun, fun, fun" of bankruptcy.
    Last edited by faithful_servant; 06-25-15 at 03:16 PM.
    Our nation has not always lived up to its ideals, yet those ideals have never ceased to guide us. They expose our flaws, and lead us to mend them. We are the beneficiaries of the work of the generations before us and it is each generation's responsibility to continue that work. - Laura Bush

  10. #30
    Guru

    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:24 AM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    4,277

    Re: Ikea's Minimum Wage Hike Was So Successful, It's Raising Wages Again

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post

    Happier and more responsible employees with better wages; who'd a thunk ti?
    Who wouldn't be happier with higher wages. Nobody ever said other wise. the second part is most assuredly not universally true.

    As a poster already pointed out.
    A company making a an economic decision is a far cry from Government FORCING companies to pay people more for nothing.

Page 3 of 6 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •