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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The procedures for negotiating trade agreements are common knowledge. I don't provide links to confirm water is wet, either. Your ignorance is a problem that can't be solved at DP.
    Yes yes... everyone everywhere who knows water is wet also knows that "Fast Track" hands over all legislation of said agreement to the executive branch. Source your claims.

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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    What? YOU brought up that it was used before and then didn't cite a damn thing. I bring in something showing where it was used before, again because you didn't after making the claim, and now you are saying I'm moving the goal posts?

    Here's a tip for you... SOURCE YOUR CLAIMS for a change... instead of bitching about everyone else's who do your work for you.

    To the point, the procedural aspect is still stupid and bullcrap. It's the legislature handing over their responsibilities to the executive branch all while bitching for the last six years about the executive branch having too much power.

    btw... NAFTA sucked just as Ross Perot predicted it would and this will likely follow in the same vein. Congrats on applauding the loss of our sovereignty to foreign tribunals via the Investor-State Dispute Settlement clause.

    I just wonder why such folks that support the TPP hate America so much?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_track_(trade)
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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Yes yes... everyone everywhere who knows water is wet also knows that "Fast Track" hands over all legislation of said agreement to the executive branch. Source your claims.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_track_(trade)
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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Congrats on finally sourcing something. I applaud you. Now lets use your source:

    Congress started the fast track authority in the Trade Act of 1974

    And tie that to one of your comments:

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob
    Fast track authority means congress cannot debate or amend anything pertaining to this trade deal. It's pretty much all in the preview of the executive branch.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes, just like every previous trade deal. And like most other treaties as well.
    I guess the United States was just isolationist and traded with no one ever prior to 1974.

    Wow... water IS wet.

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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Congrats on finally sourcing something. I applaud you. Now lets use your source:
    Congress started the fast track authority in the Trade Act of 1974

    And tie that to one of your comments:





    I guess the United States was just isolationist and traded with no one ever prior to 1974.

    Wow... water IS wet.
    Please note the dates of the agreements in force. Wet, indeed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ade_agreements
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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Please note the dates of the agreements in force. Wet, indeed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ade_agreements
    Or you can make a point.

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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Or you can make a point.
    All are since 1974.
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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    All are since 1974.
    yes... so in your statement...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes, just like every previous trade deal.
    ... the US never traded with anyone prior to 1974.

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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    All 535 members of the House and Senate have had access to the full text. Treaty language is never made public until the text is presented for ratification.
    "Congress is being so secretive about Obamatrade that Congressional authorities are not only keeping the text of President Barack Obama’s various trade deals secret, they’re also keeping the log that lists which members of Congress went to go read the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) private as well." (ObamaTrade Secrecy: Log of Which Members of Congress Actually Read Bill in Secret Room Also Private - Breitbart)

    People may have read it, but we don't know who :/
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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Mr. Invisible.

    I can sort of understand not making it available to the public, since many people probably wouldn't understand it even if they had any interest in reading it in the first place, but are you saying that Congress may have just voted on something they haven't read?
    I'm not saying they have not voted on something they haven't read. Rather I am saying that we, the public don't have access to it, and also that we don't know who has read it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    "Congress is being so secretive about Obamatrade that Congressional authorities are not only keeping the text of President Barack Obama’s various trade deals secret, they’re also keeping the log that lists which members of Congress went to go read the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) private as well." (ObamaTrade Secrecy: Log of Which Members of Congress Actually Read Bill in Secret Room Also Private - Breitbart)

    People may have read it, but we don't know who :/
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