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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

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    I can sort of understand not making it available to the public, since many people probably wouldn't understand it even if they had any interest in reading it in the first place, but are you saying that Congress may have just voted on something they haven't read?
    How do you think Obamacare was passed? It's actually quite common for them to not read the bills they vote on. At best their aides read it and then just give them the highlights.
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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Since this treaty is being handled just like every preceding trade treaty I'm afraid you'll have to explain that rant.
    Fast track authority means congress cannot debate or amend anything pertaining to this trade deal. It's pretty much all in the preview of the executive branch.
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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

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    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Fast track authority means congress cannot debate or amend anything pertaining to this trade deal. It's pretty much all in the preview of the executive branch.
    Yes, just like every previous trade deal. And like most other treaties as well.
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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Just for the record, I've been for approval of the TPP from just about the very start.

    On my way back over from the PI this last weekend, I was reading an editorial in the English version of the Korea Times, and they brought up a good point: the TPP is America's first, best opportunity to set the terms of Pacific trade...before China's able to flex her muscles to the point where she can dictate the terms of any such agreements. The TPP, in their eyes, seem to be as much about presenting a close-to-unified economic front to China as it is a real effort to break down trade boundaries.
    You and I (and the Korea Times) are in complete agreement.
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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How do you think Obamacare was passed? It's actually quite common for them to not read the bills they vote on. At best their aides read it and then just give them the highlights.
    Greetings, Kal'Stang.

    The last I read about this was a few days ago, and at that time the Dems were very much against a part of this Agreement, since it didn't deal with worker protection in case of job loss. Has that been handled, or does this vote simply give Congress an opportunity to revise the Agreement?

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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes, just like every previous trade deal. And like most other treaties as well.
    Yes.... like NAFTA. Nice piece of job killing crap. And you applaud this.
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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Yes.... like NAFTA. Nice piece of job killing crap. And you applaud this.
    Ah. So now that your procedural whining has been shown to be without foundation you want to shift the discussion to outcomes. Fine by me. NAFTA has been good for the U.S.
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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Ah. So now that your procedural whining has been shown to be without foundation you want to shift the discussion to outcomes. Fine by me. NAFTA has been good for the U.S.
    What? YOU brought up that it was used before and then didn't cite a damn thing. I bring in something showing where it was used before, again because you didn't after making the claim, and now you are saying I'm moving the goal posts?

    Here's a tip for you... SOURCE YOUR CLAIMS for a change... instead of bitching about everyone else's who do your work for you.

    To the point, the procedural aspect is still stupid and bullcrap. It's the legislature handing over their responsibilities to the executive branch all while bitching for the last six years about the executive branch having too much power.

    btw... NAFTA sucked just as Ross Perot predicted it would and this will likely follow in the same vein. Congrats on applauding the loss of our sovereignty to foreign tribunals via the Investor-State Dispute Settlement clause.

    I just wonder why such folks that support the TPP hate America so much?
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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    What? YOU brought up that it was used before and then didn't cite a damn thing. I bring in something showing where it was used before, again because you didn't after making the claim, and now you are saying I'm moving the goal posts?

    Here's a tip for you... SOURCE YOUR CLAIMS for a change... instead of bitching about everyone else's who do your work for you.

    To the point, the procedural aspect is still stupid and bullcrap. It's the legislature handing over their responsibilities to the executive branch all while bitching for the last six years about the executive branch having too much power.

    btw... NAFTA sucked just as Ross Perot predicted it would and this will likely follow in the same vein. Congrats on applauding the loss of our sovereignty to foreign tribunals via the Investor-State Dispute Settlement clause.

    I just wonder why such folks that support the TPP hate America so much?
    The procedures for negotiating trade agreements are common knowledge. I don't provide links to confirm water is wet, either. Your ignorance is a problem that can't be solved at DP.
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