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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Several factories. That's the extent of your objection?
    "Several factories" translates into several hundred thousand jobs. This trade bill pretty much guarantees many more hundreds of thousands of jobs being shifted out of the country.

    As of 2010, U.S. trade deficits with Mexico totaling $97.2 billion had displaced 682,900 U.S. jobs. Of those jobs, 116,400 are likely economy-wide job losses because they were displaced between 2007 and 2010, when the U.S. labor market was severely depressed.
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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    "Several factories" translates into several hundred thousand jobs. This trade bill pretty much guarantees many more hundreds of thousands of jobs being shifted out of the country.



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    "Several factories" translates into several hundred thousand jobs."

    That is the point, you reference only several factories as an objection. Why was that?

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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    "Several factories" translates into several hundred thousand jobs."

    That is the point, you reference only several factories as an objection. Why was that?
    I said "several factories" for expedients sake. When asked I expanded on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Good. The hysterics about this (on both sides) were idiotic.
    I am not so sure. there are several things that I read about in this bill that I do not like. this should have been more
    scrutiny done on this bill.

    yes I feel it will be a loss for workers just like NAFTA was.

    allowing the foreign nations to sue the US government over business deals is a bad bad idea and will only cost the American people more.

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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    I am not so sure. there are several things that I read about in this bill that I do not like. this should have been more
    scrutiny done on this bill.

    yes I feel it will be a loss for workers just like NAFTA was.

    allowing the foreign nations to sue the US government over business deals is a bad bad idea and will only cost the American people more.
    Trade Promotion Authority =/= the Trans Pacific Partnership.
    Worth noting, Democrats: President Trump will have a Pen and a Phone. #Precedent.

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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Question for all those who have routinely and roundly criticized the Reps for being obstructionists and "the party of 'no'": Where's your praise for them for working with the President on this?

    Or will there be utter silence until the next thing comes along that you can criticize?
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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Trade Promotion Authority =/= the Trans Pacific Partnership.
    yes but it is going to be used to pass the TPP or any other trade agreements without congress being able to edit them.
    it is pretty stupid.

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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    yes but it is going to be used to pass the TPP or any other trade agreements without congress being able to edit them.
    it is pretty stupid.
    Actually it's smart. The Founders figured out long ago that you wanted separation of powers, and a single point of negotiation with foreign countries. That is why the foreign-agreement-making structure that they put into place (Treaties) followed the exact same format as the TPA: The Executive is responsible for negotiations, and the Congress is responsible for an up-or-down vote. We live in a world now that's more dominated by soft power and trade than by hard power and war relative to their time, and that's good - but we would be wise to continue to follow their format in this.
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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually it's smart. The Founders figured out long ago that you wanted separation of powers, and a single point of negotiation with foreign countries. That is why the foreign-agreement-making structure that they put into place (Treaties) followed the exact same format as the TPA: The Executive is responsible for negotiations, and the Congress is responsible for an up-or-down vote. We live in a world now that's more dominated by soft power and trade than by hard power and war relative to their time, and that's good - but we would be wise to continue to follow their format in this.
    I don't agree. there needs to be oversite and congress just gave huge power to the president. we could get really really screwed over this
    and there is no recourse before it is to late.

    no congress is not responsible for an up and down vote and I get so sick of hearing this up and down vote.

    congresses job is to pass bills that support the people and protect the people. not give up and down votes on bills.
    which in order to do the former they have to be able to stop voting or amend trade agreements if they see something bad.

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    Re: Senate Approves Fast-Track, Sending Trade Bill to White House

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    I don't agree. there needs to be oversite and congress just gave huge power to the president. we could get really really screwed over this
    and there is no recourse before it is to late.
    That is incorrect - the Congress acts as a check on the Executive, exactly as it is supposed to. Meanwhile, they don't get to pretend to be the executive by trying to renegotiate trade deals, which they are not supposed to do.

    no congress is not responsible for an up and down vote and I get so sick of hearing this up and down vote.
    The President has the power to make treaties, Congress has the power to vote on whether or not the treaties that the President has made will actually become binding on the United States. Article 2 Section 2 of the US Constitution.

    congresses job is to pass bills that support the people and protect the people. not give up and down votes on bills.
    That is, in fact, part of doing that job - and it is why they have to do up or down votes on all kinds of Presidential proposals. Judicial appointments, for example. Cabinet-level department heads, for another. Treaties and agreements with foreign countries, for another. Congress has no business trying to figure out who to appoint to be Secretary of State under the President, and they have no business trying to upstage the executive functions in negotiating with foreign countries. The Congress is not our Executive, and we shouldn't allow them to try to be, or expect them to be - our Constitution is designed to limit all three branches of government, not just the Executive.

    which in order to do the former they have to be able to stop voting or amend trade agreements if they see something bad.
    If they see something that awful, they can vote it down.
    Worth noting, Democrats: President Trump will have a Pen and a Phone. #Precedent.

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