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Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley Orders Confederate Flag Taken Down From Capitol

How did that work, "opted to live separate"? Who gave them the choice?

All that deep breathing seems to have caused you to miss the point. Some native Americans apparently feel that the US Flag is a flag of oppression.

That's likely the next target.
 
Once the Stars and Bars are all down racism will be officially over, right?

I'm hearing from a few Native Americans that the Stars and Stripes is no less offensive to them. It never occurred to me before, but they have a good point if they decide to make it public.

Haven't you seen the posts calling for the confederate flag to come down while rationalizing support for the US flag?

They are amusing at best.

They're probably from the same people who decry the use of native American "slurs" as names of sports teams.
 
Once the Stars and Bars are all down racism will be officially over, right?

I'm hearing from a few Native Americans that the Stars and Stripes is no less offensive to them. It never occurred to me before, but they have a good point if they decide to make it public.

Personal note to all Indians,

Sorry, Indians...no matter how just your anti-American flag cause is, the liberals just don't care enough about you to make this a big deal.

However, you COULD get some white nut-job to shoot up a bunch of people at one of your religious services. Now THAT would stir them up. But it won't be because they care about you guys...it'll be because it's another opportunity to stick it to conservatives.

Best of luck,

Mycroft
 
Mornin Chomsky. :2wave: It has moved beyond that. Amazon, Google, Wal-Mart.....also Alabama has ordered them down from other Memorials. What a distraction huh? Yesterday.....Chicago had 18 shootings. A few of them were race related between some Hispanics and some Blacks. Some might say it was over turf. Even though those boundaries never seem to change despite the decade passing.




Elsewhere around the nation, leaders were already demoting the historic but divisive symbol. By the order of Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley on Wednesday, four Confederate banners were being taken down from a large monument to secessionist soldiers outside that state's capitol.

Politicians around the nation then joined calls for removing historic but divisive Civil War-era symbols from places of honor, from state flags to license plates to statues and place names. Many said change is imperative after the white man accused of shooting of nine black churchgoers posed with the flag.

Even the Citadel, South Carolina influential military college, whose cadets fired the first shots of the Civil War, voted in favor of moving its Confederate Naval Jack flag from its prominent place inside its main chapel to a more "appropriate" campus location. Businesses also moved quickly: Wal-Mart, e-Bay, Amazon, Target and Sears were among those removing Confederate merchandise from stores and online sites, and at least three major flag makers said they will no longer manufacture the Confederate flag.....snip~

As SC honors church victims, Alabama lowers its flags
Hey there, MMC -

Yes - just as Dylan sang, "The times, they are a changing".

The only thing is, today we are hyper-wired-in to each other, so changes seem to happen overnight!
 
Hey there, MMC -

Yes - just as Dylan sang, "The times, they are a changing".

The only thing is, today we are hyper-wired-in to each other, so changes seem to happen overnight!



Yeah it would seem so.....I did notice those Major stores were closing down locations all across the country this year. So removing all that Confederate Merchandise will help their sales, huh? Thus helping with BOs highly touted improving economy, Right?
 
Yeah it would seem so.....I did notice those Major stores were closing down locations all across the country this year. So removing all that Confederate Merchandise will help their sales, huh? Thus helping with BOs highly touted improving economy, Right?

Closing stores means more people out of work, which means more unemployment and food stamps mean... remember what Nancy says:

“It is the biggest bang for the buck when you do food stamps and unemployment insurance. The biggest bang for the buck." - Nancy Pelosi
 
I posted a statement and you replied with a question that had nothing to do with it. A stupid one at that.

Well, because you're too lazy to actually address what I say, I'll just explain it to you simply: South Carolina is not in the Confederate States of America, so the government should not be flying the flag of that country.
 
Well, because you're too lazy to actually address what I say, I'll just explain it to you simply: South Carolina is not in the Confederate States of America, so the government should not be flying the flag of that country.

In SC is flown over the CW memorial not the State house. IMO it's perfectly fine to honor your veterans.

Now back to the US flag and it's history. Do you think we should change or do away with it because it represents a White oppressive past?
 
In SC is flown over the CW memorial not the State house. IMO it's perfectly fine to honor your veterans.

Now back to the US flag and it's history. Do you think we should change or do away with it because it represents a White oppressive past?

We haven't already?
 
Well, because you're too lazy to actually address what I say, I'll just explain it to you simply: South Carolina is not in the Confederate States of America, so the government should not be flying the flag of that country.
Well, to be fair, not one single country on earth recognized the CSA as an actual country.

They were simply armed, insurrectionist "states in rebellion."
 
In SC is flown over the CW memorial not the State house. IMO it's perfectly fine to honor your veterans.

Now back to the US flag and it's history. Do you think we should change or do away with it because it represents a White oppressive past?

Considering it's not the flag of a foreign country, rather our country, no, we should not remove the American flag. Do you think the government should fly an Indonesian flag? What about a gay pride flag? Or a KKK flag? Should government workers be using their position to make political statements with flags or should we just try to keep it official?

You people have a knack for finding absolutely meaningless things to whine and cry about. Who actually cares? I mean really?
 
People aren't blaming the Confederate Flag for the shooting. They ARE, however, placing the flag in its proper context in as far as how it was (and has been) used as a symbol of racial hatred. As such, and in particular since it IS a flag that has no relevant official representation for any state within the Union but acts only as a item of personal passion or sentimental remembrance of those who died during the Civil War (on the side of the Confederacy), the flag really should be placed in a museum rather than flown on state grounds anywhere in this country with the exception of Civil War Memorials and/or grave sites.

That wasn't even the flag of the confederacy. it was a flag of 1 division. if you want to ban a flag then the stars and bars, The stainless Banner, or the Blood Stained Banner.
Those were the official flags the confederacy used as their flags.
 
No one is blaming the flag. We are correctly blaming the violent and racist culture of the people who wave that flag. We reject the awful ideas they stand for, and we reject the symbol that they use to represent those ideas.

then we should ban the US flag as well from flying over capitals. if you don't know a lot of northern generals and northern people had slaves themselves. while the slavery sentiment was not as strong in the north they still had slaves.

that flag was used to slaughter countless indian and indian tribes so I guess we need to ban The Stars and Stripes as well?
as stated that flag was used by 1 division of the civil war and was not the representive of the south.
 
How did that work, "opted to live separate"? Who gave them the choice?

All that deep breathing seems to have caused you to miss the point. Some native Americans apparently feel that the US Flag is a flag of oppression.

Didn't miss the point at all. I fully understand that to some Native American Indians, the American flag is a reminder of how their ancestors were forced from their land and herded like cattle unto smaller swaths of land in remote parts of the country, i.e., reservations. However, I also understand that many tribes made a choice to live apart from the White man believing that the separation would afford them a measure of solitude and sovereignty. However, Native American Indians are still afforded the same protection under the law as every other American since Indian territories within the United States would still make Native Americans "subject to the jurisdiction" of unified laws.

I won't claim to understand all the legal arrangements between Native American Indian tribes and the U.S. government, but one thing I do know is ALL Native Americans are U.S. citizens and the American Flag acts more as a reminder of unity than it does of separation which cannot be said of the Confederate Flag.

So, yeah, Native Americans can be offended when the see they Stars and Stripes, and I'm sure they'd be well within their right not to participate in the American democratic process whether its voting or choosing not serve in the military. But they're still afforded the rights and protections under the law from the very government that offensive flag symbolizes. Had the South won the Civil War, Negro slaves would NOT have been afforded these same rights nor protections. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE you apparently did not get when broaching this particular sub-topic.
 
That wasn't even the flag of the confederacy. it was a flag of 1 division. if you want to ban a flag then the stars and bars, The stainless Banner, or the Blood Stained Banner.
Those were the official flags the confederacy used as their flags.

Be that as it may, the Confederate Flag that's commonly displayed for personal use, on Confederate War Memorials, on grave sites of dead Civil War veterans who fought in the Confederate Army or by hate groups such as neo-Nazis Skinheads or the KKK looks like this (less the "Made in China" reference, of course)...

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...and as such, its time has passed as a defacto representation of "southern pride" on southern state facilities because what it really stands for is White separatism (and that's putting it mildly). But like I said, if people still want to use it because they are...

1) proud of their southern heritage

2) have ancestors who were part of the Civil War and fought on the side of the Confederacy

3) state Confederate Memorial sites

4) are rebels at heart (from teenagers to KKK members)

...be my guest. Just know that when that flag is seen outside of items 2 and 3, expect people to look at you sideways and place you under some strong scrutiny.
 
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