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    Re: Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley Orders Confederate Flag Taken Down From Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    We haven't already?
    No we haven't banned the US flag yet.
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    Re: Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley Orders Confederate Flag Taken Down From Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    How did that work, "opted to live separate"? Who gave them the choice?

    All that deep breathing seems to have caused you to miss the point. Some native Americans apparently feel that the US Flag is a flag of oppression.
    Didn't miss the point at all. I fully understand that to some Native American Indians, the American flag is a reminder of how their ancestors were forced from their land and herded like cattle unto smaller swaths of land in remote parts of the country, i.e., reservations. However, I also understand that many tribes made a choice to live apart from the White man believing that the separation would afford them a measure of solitude and sovereignty. However, Native American Indians are still afforded the same protection under the law as every other American since Indian territories within the United States would still make Native Americans "subject to the jurisdiction" of unified laws.

    I won't claim to understand all the legal arrangements between Native American Indian tribes and the U.S. government, but one thing I do know is ALL Native Americans are U.S. citizens and the American Flag acts more as a reminder of unity than it does of separation which cannot be said of the Confederate Flag.

    So, yeah, Native Americans can be offended when the see they Stars and Stripes, and I'm sure they'd be well within their right not to participate in the American democratic process whether its voting or choosing not serve in the military. But they're still afforded the rights and protections under the law from the very government that offensive flag symbolizes. Had the South won the Civil War, Negro slaves would NOT have been afforded these same rights nor protections. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE you apparently did not get when broaching this particular sub-topic.
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    Re: Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley Orders Confederate Flag Taken Down From Capitol

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    That wasn't even the flag of the confederacy. it was a flag of 1 division. if you want to ban a flag then the stars and bars, The stainless Banner, or the Blood Stained Banner.
    Those were the official flags the confederacy used as their flags.
    Be that as it may, the Confederate Flag that's commonly displayed for personal use, on Confederate War Memorials, on grave sites of dead Civil War veterans who fought in the Confederate Army or by hate groups such as neo-Nazis Skinheads or the KKK looks like this (less the "Made in China" reference, of course)...

    Attachment 67186137

    ...and as such, its time has passed as a defacto representation of "southern pride" on southern state facilities because what it really stands for is White separatism (and that's putting it mildly). But like I said, if people still want to use it because they are...

    1) proud of their southern heritage

    2) have ancestors who were part of the Civil War and fought on the side of the Confederacy

    3) state Confederate Memorial sites

    4) are rebels at heart (from teenagers to KKK members)

    ...be my guest. Just know that when that flag is seen outside of items 2 and 3, expect people to look at you sideways and place you under some strong scrutiny.
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