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    Re: U.S Changes Hostage Policy.....

    I do not think the US government should negotiate with terrorists. However, I don't have a problem with families deciding for themselves if they want to without fear of prosecution. If a person's child or loved one is being held hostage they should not be forced to do anything, and that includes sitting idle.
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    Re: U.S Changes Hostage Policy.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It's now officially open season on Americans overseas.
    And that's really the issue right? If US policy changes and families now can negotiate with some 3rd party government organization to pay off terrorists, that is a payoff the terrorists are willing to work to fulfill. They make money by ransoming people to further their terrorist cause, buy more bullets to kill people and arm more kidnappers to ransom yet more people who pay them off. I would think it would be better to take a much harder line on this from the US policy perspective. First the State Dept. issues travel warnings and ban to areas which are known terrorists kidnap and ransom, that is already done - now if your kid decides to go there ANYWAY and gets nabbed ... why would the government allow that bad decision to encourage and pay off for terrorists?

    Here's what I would do: I'd increase the amount of advertising and notifications of banned travel. I'd make sure that no one can go overseas without knowing which areas are banned for American's to travel, which areas are hot spots for kidnappings. I'd also step up protecting American's overseas in these hotspots as much as I could. Lastly, I'd say in no uncertain circumstances that hiking into Syria through Turkey because it looks "FUN" means you will die - you will be saved by the American government, or by mommy and daddy writing your Senator to help negotiate a $2 million dollar pay off and release of a stupid person.

    Can I hold the family responsible for a stupid 21 year old who got nabbed in a dangerous and known area? No. But then again, if it's found out that some back channels were used to pay off the terrorists and the kid comes back to the US, damn right I would charge whomever paid off the terrorists and I'd charge that dumb 21 year old, and if there isn't laws on the books now that would allow it, I'd have lawmakers create some with mandatory jail time, say 5-7 years.
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    Re: U.S Changes Hostage Policy.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    US won't prosecute hostages' families who pay ransom.....


    The Obama administration will tell families of Americans held by terror groups that they can communicate with captors and even pay ransom without fear of prosecution — part of a broad review of U.S. hostage guidelines that will be released Wednesday.

    President Barack Obama, in a softening of longstanding policy, ordered the review last fall after the deaths of Americans held hostage by Islamic State militants. The families of some of those killed complained about their dealings with the administration, saying they were threatened with criminal prosecution if they pursued paying ransom in exchange for their loved ones' release.

    Two people familiar with the review said there will be no formal change to the law, which explicitly makes it a crime to provide money or other material support to terror organizations. However, the administration will make clear that the Justice Department has never prosecuted anyone for paying ransom and that that will continue to be the case.....snip~

    US won't prosecute hostages' families who pay ransom


    Well now.....what do you think of this? Despite there being no formal change to the law. Should families be allowed to negotiate with Terrorists?
    I see the magic pen is back in action.

    I thought the executive branch is supposed to enforce the laws of the nation.
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    Re: U.S Changes Hostage Policy.....

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    because if terrorists come to believe they can finance their activities through ransom they'll kidnap more and more americans for money. what these families are doing if they pay ransom to terrorist groups is (maybe) getting their own kid back at the expense of many others.

    what will happen when they kidnap someone who's fam can't pay?

    I would be concerned, with what the favor could be in place of a cash ransom.

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    Re: U.S Changes Hostage Policy.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I see the magic pen is back in action.

    I thought the executive branch is supposed to enforce the laws of the nation.
    Mornin MA. Well.....BO isn't formally changing the law. Its the same strategy he had with Immigration and the law. Their just going to turn their back on if these people were in good faith negotiations with some terrorists.


    Good faith meaning.....they still have to let BO know. But don't worry about the justice dept coming after them.

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    Re: U.S Changes Hostage Policy.....

    IMO, even as the policy change is well-intentioned, it's counterproductive. It will increase the rewards relative to risks of hostage-taking. In doing so, it could produce more hostage-taking.

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    Re: U.S Changes Hostage Policy.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How many years in prison would you give to a family member who tried to ransom back their loved one, got caught and arrested, and then their loved one got beheaded by ISIS?
    How many years would you give a family who sent a million dollars to ISIS that ISIS then used to fund more mass slaughter?

    I think the family in your scenario are punished enough at that point, but that doesn't mean you stop policing families to ensure they don't fund radical terrorist groups.
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    Re: U.S Changes Hostage Policy.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I see the magic pen is back in action.

    I thought the executive branch is supposed to enforce the laws of the nation.
    Two words Obama has taught us during his tenure: Prosecutorial Discretion.
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    Re: U.S Changes Hostage Policy.....

    Perfectly good policy if the government had kept its mouth shut about it. They have never prosecuted a parent for negotiating a ransom. They should have left it that way. Just plain stupid.

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    Re: U.S Changes Hostage Policy.....

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Perfectly good policy if the government had kept its mouth shut about it. They have never prosecuted a parent for negotiating a ransom. They should have left it that way. Just plain stupid.
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