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    Re: White House to okay negotiating with terror groups holding U.S. hostages

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They should be jailed and fine.Because when someone paid ransoms to terrorists they bought those terrorists weapons and paid for more members in the terrorists
    army to kidnap and kill more innocent.
    In May, 2001, the Al Qaeda-affiliated terrorist group Abu Sayyaf kidnapped Martin and Gracia Burnham, a Christian missionary couple living in the Philippines. While Bush was out in the Rose Garden making his tough-sounding speech, his administration was negotiating a ransom payment to retrieve them. They arranged an indirect payment of $300,000 to the terrorist network in exchange for the couple — which, by today’s standards should have had Oliver North and the rest of the Republicans up in arms — yet, the ones who screech the loudest now were the quietest then. To make matters worse, the trade failed: Abu Sayyaf refused to release the Burnhams, and Martin was killed when the Filipino police raided the encampment. Gracia survived and moved back to the U.S. with her children.

    That Time Bush Paid a Ransom to Terrorists and the Right Said Nothing | Americans Against the Tea Party
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House to okay negotiating with terror groups holding U.S. hostages

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    In May, 2001, the Al Qaeda-affiliated terrorist group Abu Sayyaf kidnapped Martin and Gracia Burnham, a Christian missionary couple living in the Philippines. While Bush was out in the Rose Garden making his tough-sounding speech, his administration was negotiating a ransom payment to retrieve them. They arranged an indirect payment of $300,000 to the terrorist network in exchange for the couple — which, by today’s standards should have had Oliver North and the rest of the Republicans up in arms — yet, the ones who screech the loudest now were the quietest then. To make matters worse, the trade failed: Abu Sayyaf refused to release the Burnhams, and Martin was killed when the Filipino police raided the encampment. Gracia survived and moved back to the U.S. with her children.

    That Time Bush Paid a Ransom to Terrorists and the Right Said Nothing | Americans Against the Tea Party
    AATP is not a citable source.

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    Re: White House to okay negotiating with terror groups holding U.S. hostages

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    AATP is not a citable source.
    I'm sorry.

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    Re: White House to okay negotiating with terror groups holding U.S. hostages

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm sorry.

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    Re: White House to okay negotiating with terror groups holding U.S. hostages

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    RSN is not a citable source.
    I'm sorry.

    Iran-Contra, as you'll recall, almost laid waste to the Reagan presidency. Desperate to free U.S. hostages held by Iranian proxies in Lebanon, President Reagan provided weapons Tehran badly needed in its long war with Saddam Hussein (who, of course, was backed by the United States). In a clumsy and illegal attempt to skirt U.S. law, the proceeds of those sales were then funneled to the contras fighting the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. And as the New York Times recalled, Reagan's fiasco started with an emissary bearing gifts from the Gipper himself..........

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    Re: White House to okay negotiating with terror groups holding U.S. hostages

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm sorry.

    Iran-Contra, as you'll recall, almost laid waste to the Reagan presidency. Desperate to free U.S. hostages held by Iranian proxies in Lebanon, President Reagan provided weapons Tehran badly needed in its long war with Saddam Hussein (who, of course, was backed by the United States). In a clumsy and illegal attempt to skirt U.S. law, the proceeds of those sales were then funneled to the contras fighting the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. And as the New York Times recalled, Reagan's fiasco started with an emissary bearing gifts from the Gipper himself..........

    Ronald Reagan, the president who really negotiated with terrorists
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    Re: White House to okay negotiating with terror groups holding U.S. hostages

    This is a difficult decision. On one hand paying ransoms just encourages more kidnappings and ransom demands. And we have A LOT of people abroad. Which makes such things easy to do.

    On the other hand the families of those victims deserve to be able to help get their loved ones back.
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    Re: White House to okay negotiating with terror groups holding U.S. hostages

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    In May, 2001, the Al Qaeda-affiliated terrorist group Abu Sayyaf kidnapped Martin and Gracia Burnham, a Christian missionary couple living in the Philippines. While Bush was out in the Rose Garden making his tough-sounding speech, his administration was negotiating a ransom payment to retrieve them. They arranged an indirect payment of $300,000 to the terrorist network in exchange for the couple — which, by today’s standards should have had Oliver North and the rest of the Republicans up in arms — yet, the ones who screech the loudest now were the quietest then. To make matters worse, the trade failed: Abu Sayyaf refused to release the Burnhams, and Martin was killed when the Filipino police raided the encampment. Gracia survived and moved back to the U.S. with her children.

    That Time Bush Paid a Ransom to Terrorists and the Right Said Nothing | Americans Against the Tea Party
    Well gollly gee wiz I guess that since Bush did it then it makes it okay to basically buy terrorists a crate of guns and pay for more innocent people to be kidnapped and or killed by paying ransoms.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: White House to okay negotiating with terror groups holding U.S. hostages

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This is a difficult decision. On one hand paying ransoms just encourages more kidnappings and ransom demands. And we have A LOT of people abroad. Which makes such things easy to do.

    On the other hand the families of those victims deserve to be able to help get their loved ones back.
    You are also buying them weapons and paying for more people to get killed.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: White House to okay negotiating with terror groups holding U.S. hostages

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You are also buying them weapons and paying for more people to get killed.
    That's a given. I doubt anyone would argue that this happens or not. Kinda silly to do so.
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