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Freddie Gray autopsy report leaked. Says he fell when the van stopped.

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Now you know why the state wanted this censored. Still, he probably should have been buckled in.

Autopsy of Freddie Gray shows 'high-energy' blow - Baltimore Sun

june 23 2015
Freddie Gray suffered a single "high-energy injury" to his neck and spine — most likely caused when the police van in which he was riding suddenly decelerated, according to a copy of the autopsy report obtained by The Baltimore Sun.

The state medical examiner's office concluded that Gray's death could not be ruled an accident, and was instead a homicide, because officers failed to follow safety procedures "through acts of omission."

Though Gray was loaded into the van on his belly, the medical examiner surmised that he may have gotten to his feet and was thrown into the wall during an abrupt change in direction. He was not belted in, but his wrists and ankles were shackled, making him "at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van." The medical examiner compared Gray's injury to those seen in shallow-water diving incidents.
 
So this is what happened? Looks like Freddy's family is going to be rich and some police officers are going to jail.

Gray is not the first person to come out of a Baltimore police wagon with serious injuries.

Relatives of Dondi Johnson Sr., who was left a paraplegic after a 2005 police van ride, won a $7.4 million verdict against police officers. A year earlier, Jeffrey Alston was awarded $39 million by a jury after he became paralyzed from the neck down as the result of a van ride. Others have also received payouts after filing lawsuits.

For some, such injuries have been inflicted by what is known as a "rough ride" — an "unsanctioned technique" in which police vans are driven to cause "injury or pain" to unbuckled, handcuffed detainees, former city police officer Charles J. Key testified as an expert five years ago in a lawsuit over Johnson's subsequent death.

Freddie Gray not the first to come out of Baltimore police van with serious injuries - Baltimore Sun
 
The other prisoner in the back of the van claimed that it was not a " rough ride ".

The other prisoner, Donta Allen, said the police report did not accurately portray his comments. He said he heard a few seconds of soft banging and that was it.

I am sure the police got him to word things just the way they wanted while they had him there at the station. OR upon hearing what happened, Mr. Allen reinterpreted what he heard. I don't think the defense is going to want to use Mr. Allen as the story he has been telling the media doesn't paint the best picture for the accused.
 
The other prisoner, Donta Allen, said the police report did not accurately portray his comments. He said he heard a few seconds of soft banging and that was it.

I am sure the police got him to word things just the way they wanted while they had him there at the station. OR upon hearing what happened, Mr. Allen reinterpreted what he heard. I don't think the defense is going to want to use Mr. Allen as the story he has been telling the media doesn't paint the best picture for the accused.

He also said the ride was not violent which will make it hard to convict the driver of deliberately driving hard to hurt mister gray. The case against the other 5 defendants is now very weak too. They may all skate.
 
He also said the ride was not violent which will make it hard to convict the driver of deliberately driving hard to hurt mister gray. The case against the other 5 defendants is now very weak too. They may all skate.

If the ride was not rough then how did Freddy get an 80% severed neck while in police custody?

Freddie Gray suffered a single "high-energy injury" to his neck and spine — most likely caused when the police van in which he was riding suddenly decelerated

The medical examiner compared Gray's injury to those seen in shallow-water diving incidents.

To me suddenly decelerated means slamming on the brakes.

 
He also said the ride was not violent which will make it hard to convict the driver of deliberately driving hard to hurt mister gray. The case against the other 5 defendants is now very weak too. They may all skate.

But that guy didn't get on until the third stop so he wouldn't know what kind of ride Gray had been receiving.

And when they arrived at the prisoner intake Allen states he heard a female officer say "Well, you know, we gave him a run for his money -- he's not breathing."

I don't know whether he is telling the truth but I doubt the defense is going to want to introduce anything this guy said because that will just open the door to rest of the stuff he said.

It will be interesting to see play out.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064748476 said:
If the ride was not rough then how did Freddy get an 80% severed neck while in police custody?

To me suddenly decelerated means slamming on the brakes.

The driver will say a kid ran in my path. It the van has dash cam, he'll have to modify that to something like "I heard a real loud noise and hit the brakes". Who's to say otherwise?
 
The driver will say a kid ran in my path. It the van has dash cam, he'll have to modify that to something like "I heard a real loud noise and hit the brakes". Who's to say otherwise?

Even so if the driver slams on the brakes it means he was driving too fast for conditions, and with an unsecured prisoner in the back who was arrested illegally. I would say the police are f***ed.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064748476 said:
If the ride was not rough then how did Freddy get an 80% severed neck while in police custody?



To me suddenly decelerated means slamming on the brakes.
I find it to be impossible for a medical examiner to determine what the vehicle driver did based upon injuries to a person. Sounds like someone is filling in the gaps with "desired" information.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064748692 said:
Even so if the driver slams on the brakes it means he was driving too fast for conditions, and with an unsecured prisoner in the back who was arrested illegally. I would say the police are f***ed.

Arrested illegally?
How so?
 
"most likely caused" and "surmised" make it sound like speculation. If he was injured inside the van, why were his feet dragging on the way to the van?
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064748476 said:
If the ride was not rough then how did Freddy get an 80% severed neck while in police custody?

To me suddenly decelerated means slamming on the brakes.

Who knows? But, with all the security cameras today, there will be footage that will either work in the driver's favor - or against him.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064748692 said:
Even so if the driver slams on the brakes it means he was driving too fast for conditions, and with an unsecured prisoner in the back who was arrested illegally. I would say the police are f***ed.

I drive for a living, that statement is certainly not true.....

the legality of the arrest, (and i believe the arrest to violate several of Grays rights, especially the 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendments) is not the concern of the van driver, once Gray is in the van the decision to arrest has already been made
 
The other prisoner, Donta Allen, said the police report did not accurately portray his comments. He said he heard a few seconds of soft banging and that was it.

I am sure the police got him to word things just the way they wanted while they had him there at the station. OR upon hearing what happened, Mr. Allen reinterpreted what he heard. I don't think the defense is going to want to use Mr. Allen as the story he has been telling the media doesn't paint the best picture for the accused.

Lol !

The Police made him do it
 
"most likely caused" and "surmised" make it sound like speculation. If he was injured inside the van, why were his feet dragging on the way to the van?

Cause he was acting. Freddie saw a big "police brutality" payday down the road. That's how it is baltimore.
 
I drive for a living, that statement is certainly not true.....

the legality of the arrest, (and i believe the arrest to violate several of Grays rights, especially the 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendments) is not the concern of the van driver, once Gray is in the van the decision to arrest has already been made

Grey was not seat belted in, which is department policy. The police are responsible for anyone in their custody. He died from a violent impact described as similar to a neck injury from diving in shallow water while in police custody.

So just let it go with "oops, my bad"?
 
Now you know why the state wanted this censored. Still, he probably should have been buckled in.

They still have to prove that the van did violently decelerate. Without proof of that, they have no case. There's no doubt that he should have been strapped in, but that doesn't equate to killing him any more than pointing a gun at someone is homicide. There has to be proof that the BPD intentionally carried out an action that they knew could put him at risk of death or injury. Gray also has a measure of responsibility in this as well. If you're in the back of a van, with your hands and feet shackled, you sit your ass down. It does relieve the BPD of their part int his by failing to strap him in, but when you do something that dumb, IMO, you lose a lot of legal protection. It's kind of like suing a company because you cut your lip while drink from a can that you cut a hole in with a knife when the can had perfectly good hole to drink out of.
 
Cause he was acting. Freddie saw a big "police brutality" payday down the road. That's how it is baltimore.

Maybe he just read articles like this one before getting arrested on purpose.

Relatives of Dondi Johnson Sr., who was left a paraplegic after a 2005 police van ride, won a $7.4 million verdict against police officers. A year earlier, Jeffrey Alston was awarded $39 million by a jury after he became paralyzed from the neck down as the result of a van ride. Others have also received payouts after filing lawsuits.

Wow, ruffing up a library assistant at Johns Hopkins.

Christine Abbott, a 27-year-old assistant librarian at the Johns Hopkins University, is suing city officers in federal court, alleging that she got such a ride in 2012. According to the suit, officers cuffed Abbott's hands behind her back, threw her into a police van, left her unbuckled and "maniacally drove" her to the Northern District police station, "tossing [her] around the interior of the police van."

"They were braking really short so that I would slam against the wall, and they were taking really wide, fast turns," Abbott said in an interview that mirrored allegations in her lawsuit. "I couldn't brace myself. I was terrified."

The lawsuit states she suffered unspecified injuries from the arrest and the ride.

"You feel like a piece of cargo," she added. "You don't feel human."

The van's driver stated in a deposition that Abbott was not buckled into her seat belt, but the officers have denied driving recklessly.

"From my work in the criminal defense arena over the past 40 years, I'm aware of this term 'rough ride' and that it happens," said Byron L. Warnken, a University of Baltimore law school professor who trains police officers in proper techniques for dealing with people they stop.

But, he added, if a prisoner dies of a broken neck while in custody, the city has a problem. "The force it takes to break a neck means wrongdoing, in my judgment."

I would tend to agree with this statement, wouldn't you?

Freddie Gray not the first to come out of Baltimore police van with serious injuries - Baltimore Sun
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064749532 said:

Oh... you mean that debate which you refuse to see the other side of... You know.... the one where he wasn't arrested under Maryland law but under Baltimore City Ordinance.....

Besides.... with Mrs. "Ima go sit on stage with Prince and Pose for Vogue Magazine" I can see how she would ignore any evidence to the officer's innocence as long as she gets to trump herself up in popular media.
 
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