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    Re: Freddie Gray autopsy report leaked. Says he fell when the van stopped.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol !

    The Police made him do it
    Police never go easier on someone in exchange for cooperation? That's unheard of!

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    Re: Freddie Gray autopsy report leaked. Says he fell when the van stopped.

    Quote Originally Posted by TextDriversKill View Post
    Now you know why the state wanted this censored. Still, he probably should have been buckled in.
    They still have to prove that the van did violently decelerate. Without proof of that, they have no case. There's no doubt that he should have been strapped in, but that doesn't equate to killing him any more than pointing a gun at someone is homicide. There has to be proof that the BPD intentionally carried out an action that they knew could put him at risk of death or injury. Gray also has a measure of responsibility in this as well. If you're in the back of a van, with your hands and feet shackled, you sit your ass down. It does relieve the BPD of their part int his by failing to strap him in, but when you do something that dumb, IMO, you lose a lot of legal protection. It's kind of like suing a company because you cut your lip while drink from a can that you cut a hole in with a knife when the can had perfectly good hole to drink out of.
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    Re: Freddie Gray autopsy report leaked. Says he fell when the van stopped.

    Quote Originally Posted by TextDriversKill View Post
    Cause he was acting. Freddie saw a big "police brutality" payday down the road. That's how it is baltimore.
    Maybe he just read articles like this one before getting arrested on purpose.

    Relatives of Dondi Johnson Sr., who was left a paraplegic after a 2005 police van ride, won a $7.4 million verdict against police officers. A year earlier, Jeffrey Alston was awarded $39 million by a jury after he became paralyzed from the neck down as the result of a van ride. Others have also received payouts after filing lawsuits.
    Wow, ruffing up a library assistant at Johns Hopkins.

    Christine Abbott, a 27-year-old assistant librarian at the Johns Hopkins University, is suing city officers in federal court, alleging that she got such a ride in 2012. According to the suit, officers cuffed Abbott's hands behind her back, threw her into a police van, left her unbuckled and "maniacally drove" her to the Northern District police station, "tossing [her] around the interior of the police van."

    "They were braking really short so that I would slam against the wall, and they were taking really wide, fast turns," Abbott said in an interview that mirrored allegations in her lawsuit. "I couldn't brace myself. I was terrified."

    The lawsuit states she suffered unspecified injuries from the arrest and the ride.

    "You feel like a piece of cargo," she added. "You don't feel human."

    The van's driver stated in a deposition that Abbott was not buckled into her seat belt, but the officers have denied driving recklessly.
    "From my work in the criminal defense arena over the past 40 years, I'm aware of this term 'rough ride' and that it happens," said Byron L. Warnken, a University of Baltimore law school professor who trains police officers in proper techniques for dealing with people they stop.

    But, he added, if a prisoner dies of a broken neck while in custody, the city has a problem. "The force it takes to break a neck means wrongdoing, in my judgment."
    I would tend to agree with this statement, wouldn't you?

    Freddie Gray not the first to come out of Baltimore police van with serious injuries - Baltimore Sun
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    Re: Freddie Gray autopsy report leaked. Says he fell when the van stopped.

    Quote Originally Posted by TextDriversKill View Post
    Now you know why the state wanted this censored. Still, he probably should have been buckled in.
    There is already a thread for this topic.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...gy-impact.html
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    Re: Freddie Gray autopsy report leaked. Says he fell when the van stopped.

    Oh... you mean that debate which you refuse to see the other side of... You know.... the one where he wasn't arrested under Maryland law but under Baltimore City Ordinance.....

    Besides.... with Mrs. "Ima go sit on stage with Prince and Pose for Vogue Magazine" I can see how she would ignore any evidence to the officer's innocence as long as she gets to trump herself up in popular media.

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    Re: Freddie Gray autopsy report leaked. Says he fell when the van stopped.

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Grey was not seat belted in, which is department policy. The police are responsible for anyone in their custody. He died from a violent impact described as similar to a neck injury from diving in shallow water while in police custody.

    So just let it go with "oops, my bad"?
    Trust me, the taxpayers will pay the relatives a fortune to make this go away. But the 6 accused officers will skate. Which is what liberals want anyway since 3 of them are black.

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    Re: Freddie Gray autopsy report leaked. Says he fell when the van stopped.

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    They still have to prove that the van did violently decelerate. Without proof of that, they have no case. There's no doubt that he should have been strapped in, but that doesn't equate to killing him any more than pointing a gun at someone is homicide. There has to be proof that the BPD intentionally carried out an action that they knew could put him at risk of death or injury. Gray also has a measure of responsibility in this as well. If you're in the back of a van, with your hands and feet shackled, you sit your ass down. It does relieve the BPD of their part int his by failing to strap him in, but when you do something that dumb, IMO, you lose a lot of legal protection. It's kind of like suing a company because you cut your lip while drink from a can that you cut a hole in with a knife when the can had perfectly good hole to drink out of.
    Not only that... I would imagine that they would have to prove that the van did "violently decelerate" with the intent to cause harm to the subjects inside rather than to avoid a sudden road hazard.

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    Re: Freddie Gray autopsy report leaked. Says he fell when the van stopped.

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    So this is what happened? Looks like Freddy's family is going to be rich and some police officers are going to jail.

    iLOL Is that the way it looks to you?
    It actually looks quite different to a rational thinker.


    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    If the ride was not rough then how did Freddy get an 80% severed neck while in police custody?
    Instead of laying down as he was left, he continued to yell and bang around the van.


    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    To me suddenly decelerated means slamming on the brakes.
    His getting up while handcuffed behind his back and legs shackled would cause him to loose his balance quite easily. His getting up precipitated his falling and suddenly decelerating when his head hit the object it did.


    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Even so if the driver slams on the brakes it means he was driving too fast for conditions, and with an unsecured prisoner in the back who was arrested illegally. I would say the police are f***ed.
    You would be mistaken on three counts counts.

    And he was not arrested illegally and please note how it has changed from the knife was legal to an arrest beforehand was illegal.
    They had reasonable suspicion to give chase and detain. That detention allowed them to search him.
    There was nothing illegal about it.
    The idiot prosecutor is grasping.

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Grey was not seat belted in, which is department policy. The police are responsible for anyone in their custody. He died from a violent impact described as similar to a neck injury from diving in shallow water while in police custody.

    So just let it go with "oops, my bad"?
    See the following post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Pdf of new Policy.

    http://s3.documentcloud.org/document...ity-policy.pdf



    While previous reports say this new policy was published April 3, 2015, ABC2 has learned it wasn't approved and emailed out to officers until almost a week later.

    In Focus has obtained the department wide e-mail confirming as much with the time stamp of 6:01 p.m. on April 9, just two full days before Freddie Gray would be arrested in the western district.


    Baltimore Police issued new seat belt order days before Freddie Gray's death - ABC2News.com


    As I previously mentioned in another thread, if there wasn't a meaningful and effective notification of the new policy, the previous policy was still in operation until it was effectively replaced.

    Two full days by email doesn't seem like an affective notification, especially as grounds for criminal action.

    ~~~~

    So we have the information of a notification by email two full days prior to the incident.
    Funny thing here is that there is no mention or claim of it being disseminated at roll-call. I wonder why that is?


    Now we have the following report.


    That order is No. 1114 and it is also clear.

    [...]

    But what may not be clear is whether any of the officers involved knew it existed.

    [...]

    "Our policies are disseminated now through emails. That is the easiest, fastest and quickest way, use technology to get them out. We also have them in paper form. We also send them out to sergeants, lieutenants at roll call to go over them and explain and answer any questions that we may have."

    Baltimore Police say commanders then typically read new orders at roll call for three to five days.
    ABC2 news obtained a copy of the email to commanders as well.

    According to the time stamp, it was sent out the morning of April 14, two days after Gray was hospitalized and reads in part, “Per policy 1114…please ensure that all prisoners are properly secured…”

    It goes on, “…please ensure this is read at roll call for five consecutive days.”


    Did Baltimore police officers charged with Freddie Gray's death know about new seat belt policy? - ABC2News.com
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    Re: Freddie Gray autopsy report leaked. Says he fell when the van stopped.

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    The other prisoner, Donta Allen, said the police report did not accurately portray his comments.
    If this goes to a jury they are not likely to believe his changed story, especially as the original story is usually the most accurate, and the fact that he stated he was saying what he now has to protect himself, so his change has no credibility.


    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    But that guy didn't get on until the third stop so he wouldn't know what kind of ride Gray had been receiving.
    And the likelihood that he received anything different is slim to none.
    There has only been 7 complaints since 1997. That is like one complained of incident just over every 2˝ years.
    Again, unlikely.


    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    And when they arrived at the prisoner intake Allen states he heard a female officer say "Well, you know, we gave him a run for his money -- he's not breathing."
    1. "Run", not ride.
    2. Unlikely as she wasn't involved in either.
    3. If he didn't initially say this to the investigator, it lacks credibility as his changed story does.


    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    I don't know whether he is telling the truth but I doubt the defense is going to want to introduce anything this guy said because that will just open the door to rest of the stuff he said.
    This is not a problem for any defense.
    He is already on record stating why he changed his story. He had incentive to lie, thus the change.
    The jury will be informed that the first statements given are usually the most truthful.
    This really is not problem if there is a trial.





    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    "most likely caused" and "surmised" make it sound like speculation. If he was injured inside the van, why were his feet dragging on the way to the van?
    It was speculation on her part.
    It is also odd that it is the assistant making the examination instead of the actual ME.

    Legs ~ He showed his legs worked and were under his control when he stood on his own on the bumper and then ducked to get into the back of the van.

    While bystanders captured his arrest on video showing Gray moaning for help, the autopsy concluded that he suffered no injuries suggesting a neck hold or stemming from physical restraint. Allan noted that Gray could be seen bearing weight on his legs and speaking as he was loaded into the van.

    Autopsy of Freddie Gray shows 'high-energy' blow - Baltimore Sun
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    Re: Freddie Gray autopsy report leaked. Says he fell when the van stopped.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post


    While bystanders captured his arrest on video showing Gray moaning for help, the autopsy concluded that he suffered no injuries suggesting a neck hold or stemming from physical restraint. Allan noted that Gray could be seen bearing weight on his legs and speaking as he was loaded into the van.

    Autopsy of Freddie Gray shows 'high-energy' blow - Baltimore Sun
    Gray was putting on an act. It's like an industry in baltimore. Act like the cops beat you up and the city will give you $50 thou just to go away.

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