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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

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    Well the South sure must've thought he did, especially after Lincoln gave his House Divided speech upon accepting the nomination for the abolitionist party that was formed to end slavery. How did you manage to miss that? In fact, South Carolina's declaration for secession called him the "abolitionist president" and quoted a line from his speech to make their cause: "I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half slave and half free. "

    The emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the south.....where 78% of all slaves in America just happened to be. The proclamation did not effect the border states that chose to stay in the union. But then Lincoln probably didn't posses a wartime power to unilaterally abolish slavery in areas not at war with the USA.

    The irony is that Lincoln probably wouldn't have been able to end slavery without the south trying to secede.
    Except Lincoln didn't care about the slaves either way, as long as he stopped the South from seceding. Research him sometimes, he was not the saint people think he is.


    Right, Lincoln was a monster but the slave holders were honorable. Got it.

    Next you'll be telling me that blacks loved slavery so much that they started the war to keep it. lol
    Lincoln was an opportunist politician if ever there were one. Not to mention slavery was not nearly as rampant in the South as people think, and blacks owned slaves themselves. Overall only about 15% of the population of the South owned slaves in the first place
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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

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    Except Lincoln didn't care about the slaves either way, as long as he stopped the South from seceding. Research him sometimes, he was not the saint people think he is.




    Lincoln was an opportunist politician if ever there were one. Not to mention slavery was not nearly as rampant in the South as people think, and blacks owned slaves themselves. Overall only about 15% of the population of the South owned slaves in the first place
    My research is doing just fine, it's yours I worry about.

    Whatever Lincoln may have thought about the black race....he still believed that slavery was morally wrong.

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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

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    Lincoln was an opportunist politician if ever there were one. Not to mention slavery was not nearly as rampant in the South as people think, and blacks owned slaves themselves. Overall only about 15% of the population of the South owned slaves in the first place
    Spoken like a true Daughter of the Confederacy.

    Slavery was not nearly as rampant in the South...never mind the millions of slaves fleeing to the Union lines with what little possessions they had, hoping to gain their freedom. But you probably call them traitors or collaborators with the north.

    The southern propagandist did a real number on the non slave owners in the South by convincing them that if blacks were set free they would be competing with blacks for their low life jobs and forced to go to school with their children and mixed marriages and all kinds of horrible things. White non-slave owners didn't want none of that...no siree bob.
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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

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    Spoken like a true Daughter of the Confederacy.

    Slavery was not nearly as rampant in the South...never mind the millions of slaves fleeing to the Union lines with what little possessions they had, hoping to gain their freedom. But you probably call them traitors or collaborators with the north.

    The southern propagandist did a real number on the non slave owners in the South by convincing them that if blacks were set free they would be competing with blacks for their low life jobs and forced to go to school with their children and mixed marriages and all kinds of horrible things. White non-slave owners didn't want none of that...no siree bob.
    Well I am a member of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, so you did get one thing right! I have heard of the underground railroad, and it turns out a close family friend (who has now passed away) lived on a farm where the home was used as a stop on the underground railroad. Ohio University at Chillicothe owns it now, since like I said our friend passed 2 years ago at 97. They have turned it into a therapeutic riding center for kids with disabilities. Where in the heck did you get that propaganda stuff? I would seriously love to know. That sounds more like 1960's when Eisenhower forced George Wallace to let those 4 students attend UA.
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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    My research is doing just fine, it's yours I worry about.

    Whatever Lincoln may have thought about the black race....he still believed that slavery was morally wrong.
    I was taught more about the South from my granddaddy, who got it straight from the horse's mouth, the veterans themselves. My granddaddy attended Benedictine College (now Benedictine High School) in Richmond Virginia. He was the leader of his company (it was a military school, and still is) and every afternoon they would parade down what is now the Boulevard to the Old Soldiers Home. The old veterans would be on the front porch watching the cadets parade by, and when they were done with their drills, they would stay and talk with the Confederate veterans. Granddaddy used to talk a lot about one veteran in particular, William Goode, with whom he struck up a close friendship.
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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Well I am a member of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, so you did get one thing right! I have heard of the underground railroad, and it turns out a close family friend (who has now passed away) lived on a farm where the home was used as a stop on the underground railroad. Ohio University at Chillicothe owns it now, since like I said our friend passed 2 years ago at 97. They have turned it into a therapeutic riding center for kids with disabilities. Where in the heck did you get that propaganda stuff? I would seriously love to know. That sounds more like 1960's when Eisenhower forced George Wallace to let those 4 students attend UA.
    Now that is a noble cause. It sounds like you very fond of your friend, I'm sorry for your loss.

    Where did I get that propaganda stuff? From the Lost Cause of the Confederacy, of course. Apparently, they've heard all your confederacy propaganda before. lol


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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Now that is a noble cause. It sounds like you very fond of your friend, I'm sorry for your loss.
    Thanks. He was really a terrific person and a terrific horseman. He had a special place in his heart for kids.

    Where did I get that propaganda stuff? From the Lost Cause of the Confederacy, of course. Apparently, they've heard all your confederacy propaganda before. lol
    It wasn't a lost cause, and honestly the current environment of today is proving the South was right all along


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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    I was taught more about the South from my granddaddy, who got it straight from the horse's mouth, the veterans themselves. My granddaddy attended Benedictine College (now Benedictine High School) in Richmond Virginia. He was the leader of his company (it was a military school, and still is) and every afternoon they would parade down what is now the Boulevard to the Old Soldiers Home. The old veterans would be on the front porch watching the cadets parade by, and when they were done with their drills, they would stay and talk with the Confederate veterans. Granddaddy used to talk a lot about one veteran in particular, William Goode, with whom he struck up a close friendship.

    An LDS relative did our family genealogy and found that our ancestors were originally from Wales and arrived in the New World in the mid 1600s and built two plantations in N. Carolina and then sometime in the mid 1700s some of their offspring relocated to Louisiana and built seven more plantations. After the war, some of their offspring migrated west with the railroad and ended up in SLC in the 1870s. So my granddad used to tell railroad stories like how Uncle Henry who worked as railroad conductor was once robbed by Butch Cassidy and his gang. But anyway, it was from the genealogy that I got interested in the South and Civil War. A while back I visited New Orleans (before Katrina) and made it point to visit one of their old plantations still in existence. It was turned into a bed and breakfast inn.

    Anyway, it was interesting hearing your story. But second hand stories have a tendency to get embellished and distorted especially around a group of old men sitting on porch telling fish stories. So I would take it with a grain of salt. For instance, I found an old article about Uncle Henry getting robbed just like granddad said...but the article didn't say who the gang was, just that it was a bunch of outlaws on horseback. So I think Granddad might've been embellishing a bit...but who knows without further investigation? Come to find out nearly everyone in the state claims to either be related to Butch Cassidy or know someone who knew him personally. Same with Brigham Young, half the state claims to be related to him, too...although I tend to believe there might be some truth in that. lol
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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    An LDS relative did our family genealogy and found that our ancestors were originally from Wales and arrived in the New World in the mid 1600s and built two plantations in N. Carolina and then sometime in the mid 1700s some of their offspring relocated to Louisiana and built seven more plantations. After the war, some of their offspring migrated west with the railroad and ended up in SLC in the 1870s. So my granddad used to tell railroad stories like how Uncle Henry who worked as railroad conductor was once robbed by Butch Cassidy and his gang. But anyway, it was from the genealogy that I got interested in the South and Civil War. A while back I visited New Orleans (before Katrina) and made it point to visit one of their old plantations still in existence. It was turned into a bed and breakfast inn.

    Anyway, it was interesting hearing your story. But second hand stories have a tendency to get embellished and distorted especially around a group of old men sitting on porch telling fish stories. So I would take it with a grain of salt. For instance, I found an old article about Uncle Henry getting robbed just like granddad said...but the article didn't say who the gang was, just that it was a bunch of outlaws on horseback. So I think Granddad might've been embellishing a bit...but who knows without further investigation? Come to find out nearly everyone in the state claims to either be related to Butch Cassidy or know someone who knew him personally. Same with Brigham Young, half the state claims to be related to him, too...although I tend to believe there might be some truth in that. lol
    My paternal grandmother was related somehow to David Whitmer, one of the founders of the LDS church. My dad always thought they gave their painting of our ancestor to the church but they gave it to my uncle, who in turn gave it to the church, although I don't know how long ago. Wouldn't surprise me if I was related to Brigham Young in some way. Found out a couple of years ago that I was related to President Madison through an ancestor of mine who was a Confederate general, also apparently Madison's great nephew. We had to do a lot of genealogy for me to be able to become a member of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, even though my mom and maternal grandmother were members. My dad had a Confederate relative on his side also but was the only one of that side of the family interested in joining either the Sons of Confederate Veterans or the United Daughters of the Confederacy. My other uncles and cousins on that side don't seem to care much at all.
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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    My paternal grandmother was related somehow to David Whitmer, one of the founders of the LDS church. My dad always thought they gave their painting of our ancestor to the church but they gave it to my uncle, who in turn gave it to the church, although I don't know how long ago. Wouldn't surprise me if I was related to Brigham Young in some way. Found out a couple of years ago that I was related to President Madison through an ancestor of mine who was a Confederate general, also apparently Madison's great nephew. We had to do a lot of genealogy for me to be able to become a member of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, even though my mom and maternal grandmother were members. My dad had a Confederate relative on his side also but was the only one of that side of the family interested in joining either the Sons of Confederate Veterans or the United Daughters of the Confederacy. My other uncles and cousins on that side don't seem to care much at all.
    Hey, looks like we might have something in common, we're both Daughters. My grandfather was a Mason and because I was related to him allowed me to join the Job's Daughters which also does community service. I had cousins that also joined but at another Bethel. My dad could've become a Mason but he joined the Kiwanis club, instead. I think he might've did that just to spite my grandfather. They didn't get along very well. My dad would've been a fourth or fifth generation railroad man but my grandfather who had a management position fired him on the spot for mouthing off to him in front of his peers... and that broke the generational chain of working for the railroad. It was only recently that I learned the truth of that because growing up my dad always told me he quit.

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