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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    There was probably many reasons why he won the south. Carter appealed largely to conservative Christian and rural voters; he was from the deep south, he was a former governor of Georgia and he was a peanut grower. And finally he ran against Gerald Ford. (btw, I voted for Ford)
    He was also considered a political outsider - not one to be beholden to the Washington-ites. My parents voted for Carter because he was from rural America and was a farmer just like we were - they thought he'd have a more common sense view of the problems in Washington especially since Watergate was still only a few years in the past.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I'm going to wait and I'm sure that what we're going to see is that most Americans are tolerant and opposed to racist symbols.



    You do that, and a couple generations later those tolerant Americans are still fighting over abortion because they are well known for their willingness to give in on petty things.

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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh dear god it's another one of these people who thinks banning confederate flags is the discussion.

    Who keeps telling you guys this? What right-wing ****rag has been telling all of you "LIBRULS WANT TO BAN CONFEDERATE FLAGS," and why did you believe them?
    I don't read right wing rags.. or left wing rags.. or any wing rags.

    recheck your premise.

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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    There was probably many reasons why he won the south. Carter appealed largely to conservative Christian and rural voters; he was from the deep south, he was a former governor of Georgia and he was a peanut grower. And finally he ran against Gerald Ford. (btw,
    I voted for Ford)


    Gerald Ford was a decent, honorable man. but I see his pardon of Nixon, no matter what justifications are given, as a huge mistake. But that's all water over the dam.

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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by WSUwarrior View Post
    LBJ and Democrats including Al Gore the Science Whore's dad fought AGAINST the Civil Rights Act....they filibustered it in Congress.
    FYI, about 100% of Democrats outside the former CSA voted for the CRA, as did about 100% of Republicans outside the CSA. About 100% of the opposition came from white male congressmen (almost all Democrats) from the Confederate states. It was a regional, not a party, thing.

    And LBJ didn't fight the CRA or VRA. History is your friend.

    After LBJ signed it he said "Ill have those NIGGERS voting Democratic for the next 200 years". Only 150 years of the poverty plantation left for blacks to suffer with....
    No one actually knows if he said that. It's possible. He used that word often, but he also supported equal rights for blacks, and pushed for and signed legislation that helped them achieve civil rights in the South. So even if he said it, he did more for blacks than any POTUS since Lincoln. I'd bet if you were black at that time, you'd forgive his language and his supposed motivation for your own freedom and liberty.

    If you're interested, there's a good discussion about the quote here: President LBJ: "I

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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    JFK would have been bounced out of today's Democrat party, a party who today has more in common with the ideology of his assassin than they do with JFK.
    There is no "Democrat" party, and if we want to play that game, Reagan would have been bounced out of today's Repugnant party.

    And LBJ, well...

    “I’ll have those n**** voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”
    - Lyndon B. Johnson
    OK, and he supported and signed the CRA and VRA. Can you name a POTUS that did more to advance civil rights for blacks other than Lincoln?

    The objection by the Republican to the wording of the Public Accommodations section of the Civil Rights Act (again, pushed by the classic liberal Kennedy and Republicans, not by the DNC) was that it ran afoul of existing SCOTUS precedent and could scuttle the Civil Rights act in a Supreme Court challenge.
    You're usually better than this. LBJ, a democrat, was POTUS. The House and Senate were controlled by Democrats. Obviously the southern democrats opposed it bitterly. So it defies logic and recorded history that democrats outside the South didn't support this bill - they went to the great lengths to get a very strong bill through the House committee chaired by a Democrat, then to bypass the Senate committee chaired by a racist white southern democrat (it was discharged to the floor without a committee vote, then to overcome a filibuster in the Senate.

    It took broad support from virtually everyone not a white racist Southerner, but you can't help but deny giving any credit at all to Democrats, and throw in a gratuitous snipe at Johnson who enthusiastically supported the legislation at every step of the way.

    Of the 117 Democrats that voted against the Civil Rights act of 1964 only a handful, 5 by my count (Iris Blitch, Arlen Specter, Strom Thurmond, Howard Callaway and Charles Pickering), switched parties to become Republican, the rest of those racists stuck with the Democrats. That is a conversion rate of... 4.3%

    Sooooo.. 95.7% of Democrat Congressmen who voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 stayed Democrat.

    Hmmmmmm...
    Old habits die hard. In many (at least) areas of the South there wasn't even a functioning GOP. In my dad's county in W. Tennessee, the democratic primary usually was the election because no republican bothered to run. If a republican did run, it was pro forma - the democrat won in landslides. According to him, there wasn't a republican elected official in his entire county.

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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    No one actually knows if he said that. It's possible. He used that word often, but he also supported equal rights for blacks, and pushed for and signed legislation that helped them achieve civil rights in the South. So even if he said it, he did more for blacks than any POTUS since Lincoln. I'd bet if you were black at that time, you'd forgive his language and his supposed motivation for your own freedom and liberty.

    If you're interested, there's a good discussion about the quote here: President LBJ: "I
    It is definitely in his character to say it, the dude was a total prick.

    If I were black in 2015 and could go back in time I would kick LBJ in the nuts for what his policies have done to black people.
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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by WSUwarrior View Post
    It is definitely in his character to say it, the dude was a total prick.
    The pricks were racist white southerners defending Jim Crow, not the person who pushed legislation to end it.

    If I were black in 2015 and could go back in time I would kick LBJ in the nuts for what his policies have done to black people.
    Yeah, great. I'm sure you've given it a lot of reasoned though.

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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    I do not own or display a "Confederate" flag and have neither the desire nor intention to do so, even though I have non slave owning ancestors who fought for the South.

    As a blacksmith, I have made countless odd & detailed Reproduction tools, artifacts & cannon parts for Civil War re-enactors whose fastidious attention to detail is impressive as eccentric as it may seem. To each his own

    What I object to is the distorted notion that the "Civil War" aka "War between the States, aka "War of Northern Aggression" was fought primarily for "Freeing the Slaves".

    I think that History will support me in that Lincoln despised African-Americans & that Abolition was simply a Propaganda initiative to seize the Moral High Ground. It was only a matter of time before slavery would have been phased out not just because of its cruelty & injustice but because of technological & economic reasons.

    Even a cursory review of history & Colonialism establishes that an Industrialized State/Societies do not peacefully coexist beside agrarian States/Societies without making efforts to seize those resources.

    While there were a multitude of factors involved, like most all wars, the "Civil War" was fought primarily for economic reasons / natural resources.

    Except for the Civil War re-enactors I've met, the Confederate flag has, sadly, been hi-jacked ugly & racist hate groups. The "Professionally & Chronically Offended" in the "Offense Industry" will remain implacable & move on to another non-issue. Meanwhile, those who do find the "Confederate" flag a hurtful symbol will continue to praise a deified historical figure who despised them.

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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    There is no "Democrat" party, and if we want to play that game, Reagan would have been bounced out of today's Repugnant party.
    There is a Democrat party, there is no longer a democratic party.

    OK, and he supported and signed the CRA and VRA. Can you name a POTUS that did more to advance civil rights for blacks other than Lincoln?
    Kennedy is the one responsible for putting that together. The action of the Democrats after passing Kennedy's legislation has done nothing but destroy the black community in America.

    You're usually better than this. LBJ, a democrat, was POTUS. The House and Senate were controlled by Democrats. Obviously the southern democrats opposed it bitterly. So it defies logic and recorded history that democrats outside the South didn't support this bill - they went to the great lengths to get a very strong bill through the House committee chaired by a Democrat, then to bypass the Senate committee chaired by a racist white southern democrat (it was discharged to the floor without a committee vote, then to overcome a filibuster in the Senate.
    First your statement doesn't actually counter my point. The Republicans didn't want to endanger the bill by adding sections that were in opposition to standing SCOTUS rulings regarding states rights.

    Second, we aren't talking about northerners, the subject at hand is Southern Democrats that others claimed fled the Democrat party to the Republicans after the CRA and VRA. That didn't happen, and the Southern Democrats were not conservative. Southern Democrats stayed with the Democrats because the Democrats were the progressive party and Southern Democrats were progressives.

    Likewise, the argument that Blacks flooded to the Democrats after the CRA and VRA is disproved by the statistics. "Non-Whites" have voted dependably Democrat for as long as Gallup has been collecting election demographics.

    It took broad support from virtually everyone not a white racist Southerner Democrat, but you can't help but deny giving any credit at all to Democrats, and throw in a gratuitous snipe at Johnson who enthusiastically supported the legislation at every step of the way.
    Fixed that for you.

    Your response is laughable because what you accuse me of doing is exactly what Democrats have been trying to Republicans for decades. I point out that the standard Democrat narrative of White Southern Racist Democrat fight to the Republican party is a lie, and that the vast majority of White Southern Racist Democrats remained White Southern Racist Democrats and you get upset? Get real.

    Old habits die hard. In many (at least) areas of the South there wasn't even a functioning GOP. In my dad's county in W. Tennessee, the democratic primary usually was the election because no republican bothered to run. If a republican did run, it was pro forma - the democrat won in landslides. According to him, there wasn't a republican elected official in his entire county.
    So the White Southern Racist Democrats remained White Southern Racist Democrats. That's my point.
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