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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Believe me, there is nothing that will help an argument against you. When it comes time, you just toss out a race card or two.
    Do you think false accusations and ad hom attacks helps your argument much?

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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Loser flag doesn't belong on license plates. The south lost, been a 150 years, get over it. Confederates stood for all things un American, they are a sad legacy of a racist past, no need for anyone to use that flag for their pride.
    "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Do you think false accusations and ad hom attacks helps your argument much?
    My argument???

    I don't have any argument with you.
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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by logansrun View Post
    Virginia has another problem the Governor cannot fix. They have a state law that protects war monuments which leaves confederate flags flying on government owned property on which many of these memorials sit
    and the state or local officials cannot do anything about it unless the law is repealed.


    There's a lot of pressure for this to be done.

    Eventually it will be done.

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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Yeah...that will make a lot of people feel better until another nut-job walks into a church full of unarmed and defenseless citizens.

    What will we remove from flagpoles and license plates when that happens?


    Let's cross that bridge when we come to it.

    We can't totally destroy racism in the USA in one day.

    But we can get to work on it.

    Just because you can't do it all today doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to do something.

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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Let's cross that bridge when we come to it.

    We can't totally destroy racism in the USA in one day.

    But we can get to work on it.

    Just because you can't do it all today doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to do something.
    Removing a flag from public view...or, especially, as in the case of SC...moving it from one public view to another public view...won't do a thing to "destroy racism". It's a useless gesture.

    If you want to destroy racism, get rid of people like Sharpton who do everything they can to intensify racism.
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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    oh looky.. lefties have finally come up with a way to ban speech while pretending to support free speech...
    I expect such nonsense from far right wingers... I never expected to see a day when lefties were calling for bans ... but here we are.. flags, movies, large sodas, etc etc etc etc ....etc...etc........etc.
    Protests just ARE a cherished and virtuous form of free speech. Your idea of free speech appears to be that we have a right to engage in free speech without consequences, such as disagreement or debate. Flying a flag is a form of speech. So is protest of that form of speech. They're both protected and one can't rank either over the other.

    I know it's asking alot, but maybe you should reconsider your belief over why it's still around....it's obviously not an endorsement of slavery or racism, so I wonder what it could be?
    How is that obvious? The racist murderer adopted that symbol precisely as an endorsement of racism and white supremacy, so do the KKK and white racists everywhere. S.C. put the rebel flag on the capital as an endorsement of racism and it's been there or on the memorial for 50 years. When did it become a benign symbol of virtuous southern heritage (minus the systemic racism of course...)?

    I hate to play the Nazi card, but the swastika is a symbol with thousands of years of history unrelated to Nazi Germany. But if you're a decent person, you simply will not wear your swastika shirt to a Jewish event, or fly the swastika off your back porch unless you intend to offend nearly all Jews and a large number of others. It just doesn't matter what that symbol means to YOU.

    oh never mind,I'm being silly asking lefties to think... we all know there is only one reason and one reason only that flag still exists... support for slavery and nothign else....derp derp.
    No one is actually arguing that, but nice straw man! Ranks right up there that we want to "ban" the Confederate flag, which no one actually proposes.....

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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    They were called Dixiecrats...but don't fret, they were still right wing conservative segregationists. Not sure, but I think Trent Lott was the last one in congress.

    LBJ and Carter were southerners where racism was the norm. Neither would've won the presidency without the southern vote.
    Soooo, let me get this straight... Southern Democrats turned Republican after the Civil Rights act... except most of them, and the ones that stayed Democrat only stayed Democrat so that they could get elected.... because all the Southern states turned Republican.

    Makes perfect sense!
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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    JFK a classical liberal? That's a laugh, he was a an American Liberal who believed in Social Security and Medicare (that's why LBJ had passed it after JFK's death)

    The quote of LBJ came out of a book and no one knows if he uttered those words. Actually it doesn't matter if he said it, it was a common word in Texas at the time. It doesn't say anything about him being a racist. LBJ used his experience in both the House and Senate to get the bill passed.

    Jimmy Carter in front of the Confederate Flag? So what? He was trying to get elected.

    CRA of 1964? More Democrats vote for it than Republicans.

    By party[edit]
    The original House version:[20]
    Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
    Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)
    Cloture in the Senate:[21]
    Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
    Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
    The Senate version:[20]
    Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
    Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)
    The Senate version, voted on by the House:[20]
    Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
    Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)
    More Democrats voted against it to because... wait for it... there were more Democrats. As a percentage, Democrats opposed the legislation at nearly twice the rate as Republicans.
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    Re: Virginia governor orders Confederate flag removed from license plates

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    More Democrats voted against it to because... wait for it... there were more Democrats. As a percentage, Democrats opposed the legislation at nearly twice the rate as Republicans.
    Yeah southern conservative Democrats:

    By party and regionEdit
    Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

    The original House version:

    Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
    Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
    Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
    Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)
    The Senate version:

    Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
    Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
    Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
    Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)


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