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House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Faced

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The "new study" decided to start the body count AFTER 9/11/01, and their categorization of the politics of perpetrators since 9/11 is also questionable.

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

I've already explained this, statistically 9-11 was such a huge outlier, including it would have heavily skewed the numbers away from the reality before and after that event. To date, it's a one off event.

Also, when you start talking about numbers over 50, you're really just quibbling. Oklahoma was 168 dead... And that was just one of dozens.

The point is, frequency of attacks is just as big a consideration as casualty count where terror is concerned. So playing the odds... I'd say it's much more likely there will be several more domestic attacks before we see a foreign one... If we see another foreign attack at all.
 
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I've already explained this, statistically 9-11 was such a huge outlier, including it would have heavily skewed the numbers away from the reality before and after that event. To date, it's a one off event.

Also, when you start talking about numbers over 50, you're really just quibbling. Oklahoma was 168 dead... And that was just one of dozens.

The point is, frequency of attacks is just as big a consideration as casualty count where terror is concerned. So playing the odds... I'd say it's much more likely there will be several more domestic attacks before we see a foreign one... If we see another foreign attack at all.

Nicely rationalized.
 
Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

In our 14th year of the undeclared Global War On Terror, and you blame 'isolationists and anti-war nimrods'? My goodness, you are in touch with reality....:roll:

14th year, are you not including the many decades since the end of WW2 that we have been involved in the ME. That is the problem with the majority of isolationists and anti-war. They tend to be part of the younger generation who are very badly educated in history. We have been involved in the Middle East since, and arguably, before WW2. They act as if the whole problem of ME terrorism just started after the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, and that is how you can tell they are ignorant about history, and possibly, just totally ignorant anyway.
 
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In our 14th year of the undeclared Global War On Terror, and you blame 'isolationists and anti-war nimrods'? My goodness, you are in touch with reality....:roll:

At least Bush fought terror. Obama appeases terrorists, surrenders nations to them, announces when he's leaving, and then refuses to call them by name-and here in the US we get people to defend his objective failings.

Fact is, I could actually respect Obama if he got out of the middle east (which would be an exercise in failure), but he can't even do that-instead he "fights" by the occasional airstrike (which can't win, but reminds our enemies we are at war). Essentially he wont **** and he wont get off the pot.

As for isolationism, its failed in the past, and theres no evidence it would work in an even more globally connected world. Things just dont work like that. Your frustration over going into iraq wont change this reality.
 
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I don't believe it's The Long War because the federal government wants it that way. It's The Long War because those who seek our destruction are committed to long term aggression.

These guys are still mad enough over things that happened well over 1000 years ago that they would kill fellow muslims. This is a mere blip in time, and historically these things do NOT end in a decade or two.
 
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I beg to differ. It is the Long War because those who profit from war just happen to have a bunch of influence inside the beltway. The GWOT is meant to be waged, not won. Permanent conflict is good for business, as Ike warned about.

A bit too tin foil hat for me.
 
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I don't think it would matter USC. :2wave: Nor by how many.



Islamic Terror Warnings Issued Ahead of July 4th Weekend.....

The FBI and Department of Homeland Security have issued official warnings about the upcoming holiday weekend.

Federal authorities have warned local law enforcement officials across the country about a heightened concern involving possible terror attacks targeting the July 4th holiday, a U.S. law enforcement official said. While there was no specific or credible threat of attack, the official said the intelligence bulletin prepared by the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI alerted local colleagues to the ongoing threats posed by the Islamic State and other homegrown extremists. The official was not authorized to comment publicly.

Two weeks ago House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes told CBS the United States faces its highest threat since after 9/11. Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee Michael McCaul has echoed that sentiment.....snip~

Islamic Terror Warnings Issued Ahead of July 4th Weekend - Katie Pavlich

So its not just one member of the committee, which further suggests a trend.

People with access the average citizen does not have are quite worried, and the forums lefties (with no special insight) have blanket dismissed the threat.

Life under the Obama years.
 
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14th year, are you not including the many decades since the end of WW2 that we have been involved in the ME. That is the problem with the majority of isolationists and anti-war. They tend to be part of the younger generation who are very badly educated in history. We have been involved in the Middle East since, and arguably, before WW2. They act as if the whole problem of ME terrorism just started after the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, and that is how you can tell they are ignorant about history, and possibly, just totally ignorant anyway.

Agreed. Its myopic, and a view based out of ignorance of history. Only a "disneyland" like the pax americana could produce this mindset. Its the same group who thinks facts do not take a priority over opinion.
 
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I'm sorry you feel that way. Friends of mine have died or been grievously wounded to defend your free speech. Call it sanctimonious if you will but you owe them, regardless of whether you acknowledge your debt.

Good friends of mine died in RVN too, but the sad truth is that they were defending nobody from anything, and some of them knew that.

I say again Jack, WE invaded Vietnam, not the other way around.

There are certainly exceptions, but for the most part, your friends and mine both were the modern day equivalent of cannon fodder, advancing nefarious goals having nothing to do with national security.
 
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14th year, are you not including the many decades since the end of WW2 that we have been involved in the ME. That is the problem with the majority of isolationists and anti-war. They tend to be part of the younger generation who are very badly educated in history. We have been involved in the Middle East since, and arguably, before WW2. They act as if the whole problem of ME terrorism just started after the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, and that is how you can tell they are ignorant about history, and possibly, just totally ignorant anyway.

Your point is correct, but the word you choose, "involved" is painting with a very broad brush. Yes, by all means we have been involved in the ME for many decades.

However, as the USS Liberty demonstrated, we were just on the sidelines, if you know what I mean. Yes, we sold the Shah our fine F-14s and many Bell helicopters. Yes, we armed Saddam and loaned him huge amounts of money, back when he was our fair-haired son over there. Yes, our CIA has been involved like, forever over there.

But the proverbial boots on the ground is what I'm talking about. We fought the Russians by proxy in Afghanistan, but it wasn't until 9/11 that we actually invaded the ME, even though there were no Afghanis listed amongst the fictitious hijackers.

Hoping you get the point about what history tells us...
 
Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

So its not just one member of the committee, which further suggests a trend.

People with access the average citizen does not have are quite worried, and the forums lefties (with no special insight) have blanket dismissed the threat.

Life under the Obama years.


You didn't think it would change did you? They always look to downplay it. Like I said it doesn't matter how many come out and give a warning.

Only way they start truly worrying about it is, when it comes to their area and makes an impact. After the carnage.....you usually wont see those who always were out dismissing it.
 
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A bit too tin foil hat for me.

Ike warning about the inclination of the military industrial complex to be politically invested in advancing that sector of our economy is found by you to be to a foil hat conspiracy

but you are willing to believe that we are now confronted with a threat that is the HIGHEST our nation has EVER faced

any remaining vestiges of credibility within your posts has now vanished
 
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Do you know why we are at the highest threat level we have been at since the cold war? Because the isolationist and anti-war nimrods have been listened too. We told all of you, that if we were to leave the ME that we would be fighting them here instead of there. well, we are about to see the reality of this soon. With as pourous as our boarders are to our south, and the growing number of enemies through south and central America rise due to the newly perceived American weakness, It is only a matter of time that they start infiltrating us from the south and imbed themselves into our communities. Thanks Anti-war and isolationist movement.

Anti-interventionism? We've been interfering continually. This is a result of the aggressive, imperial interventionism we've engaged in for decades.

Maybe if we truely engaged in non-intetventionist policies we wouldn't be so deep in the muck. Anti-war? HAHA, yeah right. That's just ridiculous.
 
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When this began, many preferred to call it The Long War and some still do. We have several decades to go.

I call it forever war since that's what it is. Several decades? Then war is not the answer. Just making things worse, as we can see from this War on Terror.
 
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House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Faced In This Country’

WASHINGTON (CBSDC/AP) — The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee warns that America is dealing with “the highest threat level we have ever faced in this country.” Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., told CBS’ “Face the Nation” on Sunday that the threat is coming from the radicalization of young people and foreign fighters heading to Iraq and Syria to join terror groups.

“They’re very good at communicating through separate avenues where it’s very difficult to track,” Nunes said. “That’s why when you get a young person who is willing to get into these chat rooms, go on the Internet and get radicalized, it’s something we are not only unprepared [for], we are also not used to it in this country.”

So we're now at Elmo level then?

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Ike warning about the inclination of the military industrial complex to be politically invested in advancing that sector of our economy is found by you to be to a foil hat conspiracy

but you are willing to believe that we are now confronted with a threat that is the HIGHEST our nation has EVER faced

any remaining vestiges of credibility within your posts has now vanished


Mornin JB. :2wave: Well, what they mean by that it is Higher than ever before. The reason is that, before......There was only AQ to worry about. Now there is AQ, Khorasan, Daesh, Ansar Al Sharia, and more pressing is the influence by Daesh to get others to go out and commit acts in their Name and for their Caliphate. Which has now entered its 2nd year.

So it is a bit higher than it was with just worrying about AQ.

Wouldn't you say that's a given?
 
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This is the fruit of nearly 7 years of "smart" diplomacy.

A weak president has allowed terror to flourish and in fact ceded a nation to the most violent terrorists in modern history. In Afghanistan he is doing the same, as AQ surrounds cities and Iran pours in more, licking their chops for the last Americans to leave-Obama has let them know its theirs.

China and Russia are emboldened. And "JV" isis continues to grow, striking already in the US, and now subjecting Americans to the greatest threat level we have ever faced from terrorists.

This is what hope and change looks like folks.

No, this is the fruit of failed USFP in the Middle East for decades. There's plenty of blame to go around, but I suppose it's easier for you to blame it all on Obama.
 
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Ike warning about the inclination of the military industrial complex to be politically invested in advancing that sector of our economy is found by you to be to a foil hat conspiracy

but you are willing to believe that we are now confronted with a threat that is the HIGHEST our nation has EVER faced

any remaining vestiges of credibility within your posts has now vanished

He also talked more candidly and openly about the MIC in a post presidential interview in which he elaborated on his concerns of what he saw grow out of WW11. He basically was concerned then that the MIC was too big to fail. It was no conspiracy theory, but a well articulated concern by a man who knew and understood what he was talking about.

Big money behind war: the military-industrial complex
More than 50 years after President Eisenhower's warning, Americans find themselves in perpetual war.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...ary-industrial-complex-20141473026736533.html

The new military-industrial complex is fuelled by a conveniently ambiguous and unseen enemy: the terrorist. Former President George W Bush and his aides insisted on calling counter-terrorism efforts a "war". This concerted effort by leaders like former Vice President Dick Cheney (himself the former CEO of defence-contractor Halliburton) was not some empty rhetorical exercise. Not only would a war maximise the inherent powers of the president, but it would maximise the budgets for military and homeland agencies.

This new coalition of companies, agencies, and lobbyists dwarfs the system known by Eisenhower when he warned Americans to "guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence… by the military-industrial complex". Ironically, it has had some of its best days under President Barack Obama who has radically expanded drone attacks and claimed that he alone determines what a war is for the purposes of consulting Congress.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37361.htm
 
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14th year, are you not including the many decades since the end of WW2 that we have been involved in the ME. That is the problem with the majority of isolationists and anti-war. They tend to be part of the younger generation who are very badly educated in history. We have been involved in the Middle East since, and arguably, before WW2. They act as if the whole problem of ME terrorism just started after the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, and that is how you can tell they are ignorant about history, and possibly, just totally ignorant anyway.

Not really. The majority of Ron Paul supporters were a young crowd who learned very clearly from him that our troubles with terrorism stemmed from the CIA's overthrow of the Iranian government in 1953. A co-effort with Britain to prevent Iran from nationalizing their oil industry and making Iranians the beneficiary of this relatively newfound wealth of natural resource. You may not have paid attention to the young supporters of Paul, or their placards that pointed out Reagan's support of the Mujahhideen in Afghanistan which morphed into the Taliban that we might be able to then fight decades latter. And his support of Iraq in its war against Iran. They were all too aware of Bush 1's instigation of Hussein's invasion of Kuwait and Clinton's bombing raids on Baghdad. The youth are most certainly not any more ignorant of history then the old folks that have learned no lessons and still support one war after the other in what is decades of failed policy in the Middle East. But their is an ulterior motive to the spoken.

People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America's national interest. What the hell do you think they're talking about? We're not there for figs.

Chuck Hagel, 2007!!!!!!
 
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I've already explained this, statistically 9-11 was such a huge outlier, including it would have heavily skewed the numbers away from the reality before and after that event. To date, it's a one off event.

Also, when you start talking about numbers over 50, you're really just quibbling. Oklahoma was 168 dead... And that was just one of dozens.

The point is, frequency of attacks is just as big a consideration as casualty count where terror is concerned. So playing the odds... I'd say it's much more likely there will be several more domestic attacks before we see a foreign one... If we see another foreign attack at all.

As Jack Hayes said, you are simply rationalizing. There is no such thing as an "outlier" in such comparisons except for people trying to bend the statistics towards a predefined goal. By your rationale if a right wing radical group were to blow up the Sears Tower and kill 10,000 people you would have to disregard it in your evaluation of most dangerous groups for being an "outlier"... in other words, your rationalization in idiotic.


Person 1: I've done the math and it is practically impossible for there to be a gorilla in this room.

Person 2: Then what it this 800 lb furry ape in the middle of the room?

Person 1: An outlier.
 
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As Jack Hayes said, you are simply rationalizing. There is no such thing as an "outlier" in such comparisons except for people trying to bend the statistics towards a predefined goal. By your rationale if a right wing radical group were to blow up the Sears Tower and kill 10,000 people you would have to disregard it in your evaluation of most dangerous groups for being an "outlier"... in other words, your rationalization in idiotic.


Person 1: I've done the math and it is practically impossible for there to be a gorilla in this room.

Person 2: Then what it this 800 lb furry ape in the middle of the room?

Person 1: An outlier.

Thanks for sharing your myopic opinion. The article is about future threats and the conditions present in the here and now that give rise to concern. Past death tolls are not a primary factor. Current events, radical ideological chatter, societal pressures (whether economic, racial, religious, etc) ARE the principle considerations when assessing threat levels.

Let's see if you can be intellectually honest enough to respond directly without changing the context of what I've said.
 
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You do realize that graphic is completely false, right?

Hassan: Hassan was registered to vote in Roanoake, Virginia, a state that does not allow partisan registration. Ergo, it is legally impossible for him to have been a registered Democrat.

Harris/Klebold: There is zero substantiation that either of their parents was a registered Democrat.

Cho: Resident alien, couldn't vote.

Holmes: James Holmes was not a registered Democrat, since he wasn't registered to vote.

Lanza: Lanza wasn't either.

The idea that recent mass shooters are mostly registered Democrats is a myth - Tulsa FBI | Examiner.com

Just another lie from our right-wing friends.

Kobie:
Sorry for the delayed response. End of month is a busy time for accountants. I also rode the MS150 this past weekend. Good times!

You are correct. I apologize for my lazy attempt at supporting my argument. I should have looked closer and researched before posting. Lesson learned. This picture went viral and was initiated by a partisan hack Republican senator.

My assessment of these:
Ft. Hood – Islamic jihadist, terrorism

Klebold/Harris parents: The jury is still out on their whether they are progressive liberals. I have followed this case since the beginning as I live fairly close to Columbine HS. I am pretty sure that I saw something early on that stated they were. I will try and locate the source and post a link later.

VT—Hated everyone, mental issues

Theater: Holmes has mental issues. TBD if he is determined nutty enuf to escape DP. Self-proclaimed moderate. ABC mistook another James Holmes from Aurora who is a Tea-Party official. The killer is not a member of the Tea Party, but ABC and many followers went with it anyway. Kinda like the pic I posted.

Sandy Hook—Again, severe mental problems, including severe anorexia and OCD. (6’, 112lbs. at TOD) He did, in fact, hate Christians. That is true. He was a Satanist and had an online page donated to ole’ Lucifer.
Adam Lanza's former classmate reveals Sandy Hook gunman had 'online devil worshiping page' | Daily Mail Online

Aside from the fact that I did not support my common sense argument with better examples is my fault. I should have just used Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy as examples. There is little disagreement as to political lean in these cases.

Ted Bundy was active in the Republican Party and had a bright future in same if it wasn’t for his raping and murdering some 30-50 women across the country.

Then there is John Wayne Gacy. He raped and murdered some 33 boys and young men. And…he was very active in the Democratic Party. So much so that first lady Rosalynn Carter posed for a picture with him.
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“To John Gacy. Best Wishes. Rosalynn Carter.”

And…you have our boy James Holmes claiming to be a “moderate”.

So we have a very diverse group of people from all points on the political spectrum. The REAL correlations that I see are: mental problems and or drug use, and the vast majority of these mass killers are a male. Perhaps more work and research needs to be undertaken on the male psyche and better ID of warning signs.

To reiterate my main point:
Political leans do not correlate with increased or decreased probability of mass killings. Anybody who thinks this way must either have a very low intelligence or is an extreme partisan hack. Insanity and evil do not discriminate!
However, the path of least resistance is to believe what we want to believe.
 
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Thanks for sharing your myopic opinion. The article is about future threats and the conditions present in the here and now that give rise to concern. Past death tolls are not a primary factor. Current events, radical ideological chatter, societal pressures (whether economic, racial, religious, etc) ARE the principle considerations when assessing threat levels.

Let's see if you can be intellectually honest enough to respond directly without changing the context of what I've said.

Haha! So your article of who is the most dangerous isn't really about the faulty SPLC selective study, but simply a prediction of future threats... based on the faulty SPLC selective study.

Man, you should have stopped at your first rationalization.
 
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Haha! So your article of who is the most dangerous isn't really about the faulty SPLC selective study, but simply a prediction of future threats... based on the faulty SPLC selective study.

Man, you should have stopped at your first rationalization.

You've done nothing but rationalize your weak protestations by altering the obvious context of what I'm saying.

I think it's hilarious that you think because of 9-11 the dozens of right wing domestic terrorist acts don't matter, are nonexistent, easily dismissed. Apparently there is zero threat from right wing extremists because of 9-11.

And you think I'm rationalizing?
 
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