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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    He did not say it was they are analyzing intel, he is saying they assess the policy, determine it is misguided (a criticism), directly tell the policymaker it is failing. This is all about direct dealings with current policy, with the responsible policymaker.

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    No, he said they can have an impulse to do that. But they don't. They analyze intelligence. You will find no statement by Gates that the analysts criticize policy.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wtf. This is what I said: It was our intelligence agencies that pointed out to Bush the failure of his invasion and occupation of Iraq.

    And this is what you said: No they did not. Intelligence agencies do not assess the success or failure of policies.

    But the fact remains that George Bush was going to go teach these guys a lesson with his tough talk. Standing on the debri with his bull horn, "you'll be hearing from us soon"!!!!! Lol.

    What the NIE said was, your little operation in Iraq has failed to crush Al Qaeda and put them on the run as Rummy was saying. It served as a recruiting ground for Islamic extremists. Caused an increase in global terror, made America less safe. Iow, you ****ed up Bush, your Iraq policy is a failure.

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    That's unlikely since crushing Al Qaeda was not the aim of the Iraq invasion. The 2006 NIE presented a candid picture. It's what intelligence is supposed to do.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    there is sometimes a strong impulse on the part of intelligence officers to show that a policy or decision is misguided or wrong, to poke an analytical finger in the policy eye.

    Further, the policymaker is often suspicious that when the CIA's analysis suggests his policy is failing or in difficulty, these conclusions are widely circulated by the Agency


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You will find no statement by Gates that the analysts criticize policy.
    Sure Jack, when a policy is labeled as failing, they are not looking at the policy and making a judgement.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    there is sometimes a strong impulse on the part of intelligence officers to show that a policy or decision is misguided or wrong, to poke an analytical finger in the policy eye.

    Further, the policymaker is often suspicious that when the CIA's analysis suggests his policy is failing or in difficulty, these conclusions are widely circulated by the Agency


    Sure Jack, when a policy is labeled as failing, they are not looking at the policy and making a judgement.
    There is never a statement that a policy is failing. Policies are never labeled. Analysis may indeed suggest failure or success by analyzing intelligence but that is an inference. The analysts never label success or failure of policy.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The analysts never label success or failure of policy.
    Further, the policymaker is often suspicious that when the CIA's analysis suggests his policy is failing...
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That's unlikely since crushing Al Qaeda was not the aim of the Iraq invasion. The 2006 NIE presented a candid picture. It's what intelligence is supposed to do.
    It wasn't the aim of the invasion, but following us in from A-Stan as they did (see, right there expanding terror) Rummy was keen to tell us they were, what was it, in their last throws or something like that, but of course it was complete horse manure. And today, AQ is bigger than ever. The NIE which pointed out the failure of Bush's Iraq policy remains correct.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Further, the policymaker is often suspicious that when the CIA's analysis suggests his policy is failing...
    Analysis may suggest policy is failing, but only by an assessment of intelligence, never by a direct discussion of policy.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It wasn't the aim of the invasion, but following us in from A-Stan as they did (see, right there expanding terror) Rummy was keen to tell us they were, what was it, in their last throws or something like that, but of course it was complete horse manure. And today, AQ is bigger than ever. The NIE which pointed out the failure of Bush's Iraq policy remains correct.
    The NIE was indeed accurate, but was not written as a policy critique.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The NIE was indeed accurate, but was not written as a policy critique.
    Lol. You're parsing this so thin it's so much hilarity. Call it what you wish, it was critical of Bush's Iraq policy, and accurately so. And we still haven't reached the end of the troubles that his policy has caused us. Of course no worries for him, he's painting florals in his Dallas studio. Not that Obama's policies have been better.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Lol. You're parsing this so thin it's so much hilarity. Call it what you wish, it was critical of Bush's Iraq policy, and accurately so. And we still haven't reached the end of the troubles that his policy has caused us. Of course no worries for him, he's painting florals in his Dallas studio. Not that Obama's policies have been better.
    No NIE is ever written as a policy critique, your ignorance of the intelligence process notwithstanding. An NIE (or any other analytical product) can (and should, if warranted) point to outcomes not desired by policymakers, but that's just business as usual.
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