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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Gates is careful not to say that analysts criticize policy. Analysts analyze intelligence, and their analysis may have policy implications.
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    there is sometimes a strong impulse on the part of intelligence officers to show that a policy or decision is misguided or wrong, to poke an analytical finger in the policy eye.

    Further, the policymaker is often suspicious that when the CIA's analysis suggests his policy is failing or in difficulty, these conclusions are widely circulated by the Agency
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

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    Further, the policymaker is often suspicious that when the CIA's analysis suggests his policy is failing or in difficulty, these conclusions are widely circulated by the Agency
    You again fail to grasp Gates' point. Intelligence analysis may indeed suggest a policy is failing but the analysis will never address the policy. The analysis will address the intelligence picture. The policy maker draws conclusions that may or may not make him suspicious.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

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    Michelle Bachmann was on that committee and she said there was a secret Muslim infiltration at the highest levels of government.
    OK. If you have any evidence she was wrong, what is it?

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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Intelligence analysis may indeed suggest a policy is failing but the analysis will never address the policy.
    Oh this is getting good, analysts show policy is misguided, show the policy is failing......but they do not criticize it...and now they do not "address" the policy.

    Tell me JR, how does one show a policy is misguided, failing, without speaking or writing directly about the policy?

    Do they mime it out?
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You are asking the wrong questions. Why shouldnt our govt, which serves US, provide us with the facts?

    Last I checked, catching terrorists does not include giving away all of the methods used to catch them.
    It's worthwhile to alert the nation to a threat--they may be able to help. In fact he mentioned that people who use the kind of websites involved should be on the lookout for anything that might suggest jihadist activity.

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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Oh this is getting good, analysts show policy is misguided, show the policy is failing......but they do not criticize it...and now they do not "address" the policy.

    Tell me JR, how does one show a policy is misguided, failing, without speaking or writing directly about the policy?

    Do they mime it out?
    Analysts never discuss the policy. They discuss the intelligence. If that intelligence points to success or failure of a particular policy that is outside the analysts' concern.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    there is sometimes a strong impulse on the part of intelligence officers to show that a policy or decision is misguided or wrong, to poke an analytical finger in the policy eye.

    Further, the policymaker is often suspicious that when the CIA's analysis suggests his policy is failing or in difficulty, these conclusions are widely circulated by the Agency
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Analysts never discuss the policy.
    Now your argument has further devolved into absurdity, to the point where you are calling Gates a liar. How can he say that analysts show policy is misguided, wrong and suggest a policy makers policy is failing....without discussing the policy with his peers or the policymaker?

    Jack, this is another instance where you just keep digging holes your argument cannot escape from. Stop, please.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    there is sometimes a strong impulse on the part of intelligence officers to show that a policy or decision is misguided or wrong, to poke an analytical finger in the policy eye.

    Further, the policymaker is often suspicious that when the CIA's analysis suggests his policy is failing or in difficulty, these conclusions are widely circulated by the Agency


    Now your argument has further devolved into absurdity, to the point where you are calling Gates a liar. How can he say that analysts show policy is misguided, wrong and suggest a policy makers policy is failing....without discussing the policy with his peers or policymaker?

    Jack, this is another instance where you just keep digging holes your argument cannot escape from. Stop, please.
    Sorry, but you're still not getting it. My point is precisely that made by Gates. Analysts can be well aware that their intelligence assessments will "poke an analytical finger in the policy eye" but they analyze intelligence, not policy. You can quote Gates all you want; his point is my point.
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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sorry, but you're still not getting it. My point is precisely that made by Gates. Analysts can be well aware that their intelligence assessments will "poke an analytical finger in the policy eye" but they analyze intelligence, not policy. You can quote Gates all you want; his point is my point.
    He did not say they are analyzing intel, he is saying they assess the policy, determine it is misguided (a criticism), directly tell the policymaker it is failing. This is all about direct dealings with current policy, with the responsible policymaker.

    But keep digging Jack, the molten core awaits.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Face

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I never said the 2006 wasn't for GWB. Every NIE is for the President.
    Wtf. This is what I said: It was our intelligence agencies that pointed out to Bush the failure of his invasion and occupation of Iraq.

    And this is what you said: No they did not. Intelligence agencies do not assess the success or failure of policies.

    But the fact remains that George Bush was going to go teach these guys a lesson with his tough talk. Standing on the debri with his bull horn, "you'll be hearing from us soon"!!!!! Lol.

    What the NIE said was, your little operation in Iraq has failed to crush Al Qaeda and put them on the run as Rummy was saying. It served as a recruiting ground for Islamic extremists. Caused an increase in global terror, made America less safe. Iow, you ****ed up Bush, your Iraq policy is a failure.

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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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